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re: FYI on the pilot of the Endeavor plane that crashed in Toronto

Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:27 pm to
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3860 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:27 pm to
I heard it was a woman flying the plane last night also.

Waiting on it to be confirmed.

It looks to be so hard a landing with the right-side landing gear hitting first and braking off.

Also notice it was long into the landing strip trying to land.




Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:27 pm to
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Thanks! I saw that particular girl’s hire date and it didn’t make sense. These Regional FOs, especially ones that check the correct boxes, aren’t staying in that seat for 4 years.


THIS is why I rely on Tigerdroppings.com to get information. We bring different backgrounds and information and USUALLY sort out the truth.

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Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35926 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:40 pm to
I would be very confident to fly with her in the future. I mean, what are the odds of the same pilot crashing two planes?
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:52 pm to
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Brand new, female pilot.


Will she be fired?
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:54 pm to
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Received her certificate in January.


Posted by Asleepinthecove
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:54 pm to
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I would be very confident to fly with her in the future. I mean, what are the odds of the same pilot crashing two planes?


I have a feeling she won’t be flying planes anytime soon.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:54 pm to
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Will she be fired?


Almost entirely depends on what the NTSB report finds. I think it’s unlikely that a probationary pilot keeps their job if it’s deemed to be their fault, but I don’t know for certain. There will undoubtedly be other factors involved in the decision making tree - most notably, the captain’s decision to allow her to continue the approach in that challenging weather & his failure to call for a go-around if they were unstable.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:06 pm to
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Does sliding down the runway upside down count on her flight log time?


I'm told any landing you can walk away from is a good one.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21907 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:21 pm to
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Women have been flying at airlines since 1973. If she wasn't really qualified but rammed through hiring training anyway, then that's a problem. But just being female isn't.



The problem isn’t women pilots, I’m sure a bunch of them are great.

The problem is the organization prioritizing hiring more of them just because they are women to further their DEI agenda vs strictly hiring based on merits and skills regardless of gender, skin color or sexual deviance preferences and ending up with lower quality pilots as a result.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 8:40 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:24 pm to
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The flight paperwork is floating around X, along with a screen shot of the FAA database. Not posting it here & would request others don’t either, but it can be found.


In the air right now. What are my chances of making it?
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10754 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:24 pm to
The US Government was forcing airlines to prioritize hiring DEI pilots.

I am sure they would have much rather hired ex military pilots and pilots through traditional means.
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22285 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:48 pm to
Confucius say: Woman who fly airplane upside down have nasty crack up.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20917 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:54 pm to
Interesting. Would be very interesting to know how many hours she had on that airframe. And hours in general.

It’s not exactly rocket surgery to point out different airframes behave very differently. Given the newness of the pilot, chance of pilot error ramps way up.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:01 pm to
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Brand new, female pilot.

Received her certificate in January.
What "certificate" is that?

It has been decades since I was involved in the industry, but back then no major airline was hiring anyone for the cockpit who had not logged hundreds of hours. I doubt that basic approach has changed much.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:13 pm to
ATP - Airline Transport Pilot's License

-requires 1,500 hours flight time
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 11:16 pm
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20917 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:15 pm to
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I doubt that basic approach has changed much.
Either she’s older than she looks, has flown an awful lot for someone that age.

Or it’s changed. Anecdotal evidence suggests the latter.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:17 pm to
I saw pictures of her at AU.

Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:18 pm to
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Women have been flying at airlines since 1973. If she wasn't really qualified but rammed through hiring training anyway, then that's a problem. But just being female isn't.


The problem isn’t good, qualified women pilots.

The problem is DEI, when such an emphasis is placed on having more women pilots that high standards of quality and talent are subordinated to that emphasis.
Posted by KCSilverTiger
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Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:22 pm to
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. I mean, what are the odds of the same pilot crashing two planes?


I hope it's single elimination.
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