re: For you Abraham Lincoln haters out there, Razorfist just dropped a video on his channel...

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No one with a brain likes big government.

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Your hero took government from minimalist to full blown statist.

Congrats!

Without Lincolns war on states, we'd lean far more toward an equalized federalist system than federal technocracy.

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The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.

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He mentions a lot more than just slavery.

Thanks for posting!

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Lol omg the fact that you actually believe that

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Psh…you probably still believe in BIRDS

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Again, completely ahistorical.

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So slavery ended everywhere else, but would have just continued here?

Georgia:

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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

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Mississippi:

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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

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Texas:

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They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

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South Carolina:

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The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

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Virginia (the most anodyne):

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The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.

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The slaveholding states v. the non-slaveholding states. A reference throughout the letters. What an odd way to frame the split when it wasn't about an institution that had shaped government and expansion for nearly 100 years and was "on its way out".

I'm not saying that they didn't argue slavery, buddy.

I am arguing that slavery wasnt the only thing they argued.

Arguably, the Republican Party using slavery as a political weapon to use force to keep the Republic in check.

But you knew that already.

Check mate.

Later, dude!

ETA I don't have the time to wait for you to research a "gotcha" comment because you don't know what the shite you are even talking about or what the argument is to begin with.

If you didn't take 5-10 minutes to research your argument it wouldn't be so boring.

You do the same thing in any oil thread as well.

"Gas prices are going up" thread

"Akthually oil prices are down today"

You're boring,.

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Who hates Abraham Lincoln?

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Southerners it seems reading this forum.

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Southerners it seems reading this forum.

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I don't hate Lincoln; I just abhor the veneration. I guess we need heroes and villains to tell our story.

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I'm not saying that they didn't argue slavery, buddy.

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Crawfishing...you definitely didn't post that initially. But still this idea that it wasn't primarily about slavery when it such a key aspect of the letters and how they reference each other "Slaveholding v non-Slaveholding", is nonsense. You're just posting nonsense.

Alot of pretend experts in this thread lol.