re: For you Abraham Lincoln haters out there, Razorfist just dropped a video on his channel...

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Lincoln jailing a few journalists

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That was a few hundred and a number where Republicans.

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What do you mean by "right"? Legal right? The Constitution, which the states ratified and agreed to uphold, provides no process for a state to secede. None. Was never really considered in the Federalist papers either.

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A provision in the Constitution was proposed binding all states to the union permanently, but it was voted down.

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The constitution is silent about the secession issue at that time,

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The Constitution was silent because the proposal to make the union perpetual was voted down.

It is interesting to note that Virginia's slate of electors on the issue of secession were against initially against it. However, when Lincoln ordered the raising of 75,000 troops to "repress the rebellion," Virginia's electors voted overwhelmingly to secede.

I think Lincoln took deep personal offense at the South seceding over his election, thus the deadly lack of diplomacy.

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Still bitter he freed the slaves ?

Sherman was Right too

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Who do you like more Sherman or Hitler's SS?

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That's not true at all. It was the South who offered to discuss terms to dissolve the Union and pay its share of the debts. It was Lincoln who refused to hear any of it.

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That's because the federal government was supported by trade tariffs the great part of which was Southern trade with Europe. However, 5 out of 6 tariff dollars used for improvements went to the North. I'm sure that didn't piss anyone off!

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That's because the federal government was supported by trade tariffs the great part of which was Southern trade with Europe. However, 5 out of 6 tariff dollars used for improvements went to the North. I'm sure that didn't piss anyone off!

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I have looked and looked and looked for objective, reliable evidence in support of these claims. I cannot find it. Could you help me out?

First, tariffs are paid on IMPORTS, not on the export of Southern cotton. Exactly what was being IMPORTED to the South (whether from Europe or elsewhere) that was NOT being imported to the North, and why was the South importing 6x more than the North? Further, 63% of tariffs were collected at the Port of New York, hardly a Southern city. Did all these imports enter the country in NYC and then travel South, rather than just being imported directly to Charleston or New Orleans or Galveston or Savannah? If I were a European businessman, that would be a DAMNED stupid way to increase expenses and ruin my profits.

The federal budget just before the war was 37% military and 63% "other." Even if EVERY dollar of non-military expenditures went to build infrastructure in the North (no debt service, no funding of courts, etc), that would mean that another 20% (more than half the military budget) would have to be spent building "military infrastructure" in the North. This too seems unlikely. Obviously, military expenditures were taking place everywhere, with one BIG example being Fort Sumter. It seems likely that military spending was focused on the coasts and on land borders. Since the South had about 80% of the Atlantic/Gulf coastline and ALL of the land border with unfriendly neighbors, it seems likely that the South got its fair share of military expenditures.

So, again, where is the evidence that the bulk of federal tariff revenue arose from imports to the South? Where is the evidence that 5/6 of all federal expenditures went toward building infrastructure in the North?

Every time I really really want to know something about a historical figure, I always say to myself, ' I wonder what that razorfish guy thinks about it"

Had an awesome American history teacher that taught us that he was a pretty evil dude - going to the theatre on a Sunday back then was the equivalent of going to a strip bar in front of a church. And that he broke tones of laws etc an interesting take

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Do you beat your wife to 'save the marriage'?

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Well there is a religious precedent of killing your son to save others from sin.