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re: For Those with Eyes to See...another peak inside the DeSantis/GOP Club closet.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:51 pm to Message Board User
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:51 pm to Message Board User
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Trump gave us, and kept, Fauci
Come on Fauci is swamp as swamp gets, he was there and Trumps mistake was trusting him. Almost any world leader would have done that early on in the pandemic - his mistake was not openly firing his arse in the public square for all to see
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 5:18 pm to GumboPot
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That is why we see the establishment side of the GOP courting DeSanis. The GOPe realized they can't move forward without MAGA votes so the plan is to focus on issues all Republicans agree, abortion, tough on crime low taxes, 2A freedoms, school choice, judges, easy regulations and avoid issues where MAGA and the GOPe are conflicted, borders, trade and war.
The GOPe recognizes that we can't win a general election with Trump and if Trump runs we get nothing.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 5:22 pm to 14&Counting
Did an apparition come to you in the dead of night and disclose that to you? That level of certainty? Because if not, you need to stop wasting bandwidth.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 6:42 pm to GumboPot
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Look, there is an ongoing battle within the GOP to shape its mission going forward. For me that battle started in earnest with the Tea Party. We had good leaders arise out of the Tea Party like Ted Cruz. But the Tea Party was crushed by McConnell and establishment Republicans. The Tea Party's goals were generally, limited government, unapologetic U.S. sovereignty, and constitutional originalism. While the Tea Party remained pretty dormant during Obama's second term a political vacuum was created. Donald Trump filled that vacuum. Trump's border, trade and foreign policies matched well with the Tea Party. Donald Trump really replaced the Tea Party with MAGA and further grew it with a diverse working class demographic
All those tea party guys except Paul have voted to fund meaningless wars for years and loved Bush
The tea party in itself is like libertarianism and has no core beliefs and doesn’t play to win
Also now there is the barstool conservative wing that’s popular among younger people
The best way for the GOP going forward is a more economically populist way which brings in blue collar and Hispanics
Trump has a lot of populist policies and so does Desantis
Trump is too caught up with Wall Street and the Saudis though imo
Posted on 8/20/22 at 6:55 pm to 14&Counting
quote:FIFY.
The GOPe recognizes that we can't win a general election with Trump because they will join with the democrats and look the other way to mail in ballots for 3 days until the democrat wins- and if Trump runs we get nothing because the Turtle rules all NOT WE THE PEOPLE.
So we should all settle for who the establishment wants? Because they won't gas light them with the democrats.
We will get a Romney/McCain/!Jeb!/Kasich who is told to take a dive for the team because it is the democrats turn? Or if it is the R's turn who they want and finance & control.
They know we are finally onto their bullshite so they created MAGA lite. If MAGA lite is authentic, please stand up. Until then, I will wait and see if DC gets cleaned up, or we need a bull in the China shop again.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:35 pm to Midtiger farm
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The best way for the GOP going forward is a more economically populist way which brings in blue collar and Hispanics
Yes, yes, yes. I totally agree.
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Trump has a lot of populist policies and so does Desantis
Like I said, where will DeSantis govern on borders, trade and war? We don't know. We know Trump will govern on those issues because we saw it. The policies of borders, trade and war are the policies that the Uniparty/Wall Street are in direct opposition to those blue collar and Hispanic voters you talk about.
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Trump is too caught up with Wall Street and the Saudis though imo
He may give Wall Street lip service but he did not govern in a manner that benefited them. When he shut down the border, nixed NAFTA for USMCA, was reluctant to go to war, reluctant to fund Ukraine, required NATO nations to pay their fair share and tariffed aluminum and steel from China and lumber from Canada Wall Street and the Uniparty went ballistic. They impeached him twice because of it and still have severe TDS.
And in terms of him being caught up with the Saudi's I'd like to get more info on this because I'm ignorant of any nefarious connections. The only connection I'm familiar with is the 20217 Riyadh Summit where Trump struck a deal with Mohamad bin Salam for more oil production and in return Trump sold weapons to the Saudis. That made defense contractors happy and it kept energy prices low through his entire term which benefits the middle class.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:18 pm to GumboPot
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When he shut down the border,
When was this?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:08 am to davyjones
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For instance, it’s not simply about what and how you now believe was the best set of actions throughout the thing, but moreover how to most efficiently get to the goal of convincing the majority of the country’s citizens that everything’s gonna be ok, you can go back out into society and participate in the all-important American economy in order to head back towards “normal”. The vast majority of people weren’t in your boat in that you had it all figured out pretty much right off. You were in the minority. And to have introduced what you believed to be right, to essentially dismiss all the claims of a very serious and even deadly pandemic….that approach would have instigated unbridled panic, extreme confusion and deep distrust, and then there’s no telling the grave consequences of that. So even if Trump may’ve agreed with many of your sentiments, it wasn’t actually viable in practice at that time. The President has more than just you and those similarly situated to consider.
You laid out precisely why I hold Trump accountable to a large degree.
First, it wasn’t a wild and crazy notion to not shut shite down everywhere because of a virus. In fact, it had never been done before.
Second, there was a political element to the Covid shitshow from Day 1. Properly dealt with, a leader could have kept enough of the country out of the ditch that it wouldn’t have been some small minority that kept their minds.
Third, the “convincing the country” argument you make is my argument in a nutshell. The President needs to be a leader. A president should be able to shape and rally. Trump has a large legion of supporters that would walk on glass for him. It wouldn’t have been tough for him to have a majority of Americans (his avid supporters, rational other conservatives, a few rational liberals, and a shitload of young people) on his side of the argument.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:11 am to David_DJS
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When he shut down the border,
quote:Before Biden did the unprecedented thing and opened it carte blanche up. Policies and the wall starting. As well as Trump's brilliant strategies/deals with Mexico.
When was this?
Name a country that has open borders.
Ron may do great with domestic policies. He does not have the name recognition many think he does; and the rustbelt would be difficult. Trump got something unique. Trumpocrats.
Some on here are so far right they are not open to gays at all. They would secretly want to vote for Pence that would outlaw abortion and gays 100%. Even evangelicals are for Trump. We don't need a preacher. Sorry. It's the economy, stupid.
On geo-politics the establishment bucked Trump on immigration, the wall, HealthCare, passing a budget, shutting down the Paris Accords-- to revamp us paying for everything like a sucker.
The number one issues that the establishment will not stand from a republican President they 100% fund (along with all geo-political issues listed above)...Is globalization & climate change.
It is very difficult to buck the establishment once you are the President. As Governor they don't care much; especially if it is to get to the WH and make MAGA commercials.
Did !Jeb! Bush ever say these things about Trump? LINK Did !Jeb! Bush ever fund Trump? LINK Trump is from Florida.
Would Ron be able to call out the Bush dynasty like Trump did- and their neocon no WMD wars? Much less the Clinton's and Obama's...
What is Ron's full position on wars and ISIS? Is he a neocon with MIC ties and demands?
It is way too early. He needs vetted. He is a superb governor. And we won't ever know when he is making up MAGA just to get to the WH and then act like Rubio, Ryan, Romney with a climate change/ISIS BAD WE HAVE TO GO TO WAR speech in the Rose Garden on day one.
How many times do you think people will be fooled by the establishment? I am sorry I don't trust them.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 12:12 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:20 am to David_DJS
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1. "But Trump didn't do that. It was governors and mayors." And my answer is - Trump funded it all. He made it possible for all those assholes to do a-hole things. And because I like him and voted for him doesn't mean I don't hold him accountable. DT shite the bed bigly on Covid, and it fricked this country up big time.
What would have happened if he would have said frick it, I’m not signing this, open up the country and move on.
He was blasted for shutting down travel to and from China.
He wanted all the shut down shite done by Easter 2020 but the Govs of some states just had to keep it going which F’d up the supply chains.
IMO I think he was worried about the stock market crashing.
He always said the cure can’t be worse than the disease.
Keep in mind early on we knew very little about this shite that was released upon the world.
He was working with what he had at the time.
The so called “Experts” had the world terrified.
He would have been crucified.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 12:27 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:20 am to David_DJS
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Third, the “convincing the country” argument you make is my argument in a nutshell. The President needs to be a leader.
Well you can try to convince over a hundred million people, probably well over two hundred million even, that everything’s gonna be fine, to not be concerned with his just having cleaned the President’s entire covid team out and despite the fact that the entire media’s howling that he has had a nervous breakdown or some other terrible lie on top of all the other horrific lies that attempt to corrode the public’s faith in him to begin with, that he’s on top of it and just let him handle it. Right in the middle of possibly one of the biggest panics amongst the citizenry in our nation’s history. I just don’t see it working out very well, or more likely making the situation much worse.
It definitely looks good on paper, but again, just my opinion, I believe you’ve extensively oversimplified the matter.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 12:39 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:24 am to Chazreinhold
When folks reference how well Desantis did with it under the circumstances, that he asserted his legal authority in connection with the decisions for Florida - it was precisely Donald Trump who intentionally set the table for each governor to take the actions he or she believed appropriate, directly because they would be in the best position to make those decisions.
So when I hear anyone condemn Trump for “shutting it all down” I immediately think “don’t even waste your time, davyjones.”
So when I hear anyone condemn Trump for “shutting it all down” I immediately think “don’t even waste your time, davyjones.”
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:10 am to cajunangelle
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Before Biden did the unprecedented thing and opened it carte blanche up. Policies and the wall starting. As well as Trump's brilliant strategies/deals with Mexico.
Go look at the numbers.
That Trump didn’t do what Biden has done is hardly shutting the border down. I live in a border state. Trump’s performance on illegal and legal immigration is one of the disappointments of his presidency in my book.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:21 am to Chazreinhold
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What would have happened if he would have said frick it, I’m not signing this, open up the country and move on.
The country was open before Covid. He would have been saying, “it’s insane to shut the country down for a virus, broadly, and specifically for a virus we know frick all about.”
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Keep in mind early on we knew very little about this shite that was released upon the world.
The default position for dealing with a virus we know little about is not to shut the country down.
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The so called “Experts” had the world terrified.
The so-called experts we all saw, that were in fact political operatives for the Dems . Trump could have put rational (actual) scientists center stage and championed a grown-ups approach to dealing with Covid.
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He would have been crucified.
Well frick, thank god he bowed to liberal/media pressure in order to keep the media from crucifying him
Trump was crucified for everything in the press. He should have focused on doing right by the country.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:38 am to davyjones
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Well you can try to convince over a hundred million people, probably well over two hundred million even, that everything’s gonna be fine, to not be concerned with his just having cleaned the President’s entire covid team out and despite the fact that the entire media’s howling that he has had a nervous breakdown or some other terrible lie on top of all the other horrific lies that attempt to corrode the public’s faith in him to begin with, that he’s on top of it and just let him handle it. Right in the middle of possibly one of the biggest panics amongst the citizenry in our nation’s history. I just don’t see it working out very well, or more likely making the situation much worse.
Wait. Are you arguing that the guy who drew the crowds Trump did during the worst of the pandemic, the guy who has an extraordinarily loyal contingent of supporters - that he would have been turned on by them because they were all scared of a virus Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow told them to be scared of? I don’t buy it.
That there was a panic Trump played a big role in creating is not an argument that he couldn’t have done anything because there was a panic. Your view of the whole shitshow is static, stuck in the paradigm of the results of Trump’s mistakes. IMO - a strong voice from the top, supported by rational (real) experts would have had a majority of Americans understanding that you don’t make a really shitty situation an order of magnitude worse because the Left doesn’t like Donald Trump.
Let me ask you - do you think the response to Covid would have taken on the breathtaking dimensions (in a bad way) that they did if Obama had been president? No way. And I don’t say that because Obama was a super duper president. He was a steaming pile of shite. My point is beyond moving mountains to treat/isolate those truly threatens by the virus, it was all political and Trump got worked.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 2:06 am to David_DJS
Obama would have gone a good bit farther IMO, one because he could and they like the cause for usurping power, and then there’s the reason of taking advantage of revised voting allowances to all but guarantee a Democrat victory, and finally yes, a pandemic is a pretty good opportunity for the left to capitalize financially as they love to do.
Anyway, please get the last word in, as obviously I don’t think there’s much of anything at all we would agree on, but that’s just how if goes sometimes of oftentimes. Good talk though.
Anyway, please get the last word in, as obviously I don’t think there’s much of anything at all we would agree on, but that’s just how if goes sometimes of oftentimes. Good talk though.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 2:12 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 2:26 am to David_DJS
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Alex Jones and David Frum are now on the same team. Isn’t that weird?
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In the aftermath of the tragic death of Andrew Breitbart, there was a financial opening. Billionaire Robert Mercer stepped in and soon (’14) Breitbart advocated for Ted Cruz. Over at The Washington Free Beacon, billionaire Paul Singer stepped in, Fusion GPS was contracted and WFB advocated for Marco Rubio.
Over at the Blaze financial trouble swirled, Glenn Beck leaned on Keep the Promise and advocated for Cruz. Then, post Cruz implosion, financial trouble swirled again and suddenly Trump was a lifeline.
The March ’16 Sea Island summit was unsuccessful, anxiety ruled.
Following the 2016 RNC convention the Mercer’s (Robert and Rebekah) switched allegiances and aligned with Trump. Kellyanne Conway, formerly with Cruz, joined team Trump. Parler was created as Rebekah Mercer funded.
These are the moves of the billionaire class members within the club who utilize influence to advance objectives and self-interest. Nothing about this is surprising.
Recently, in the aftermath of a $49.3 million award, Alex Jones is on the financial ropes. The perfect position for the purchase of influence and guess what…
(Daily Mail) InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has jettisoned his support for Donald Trump and is backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for the 2024 presidential race.
Jones, who was recently ordered to pay $49.3 million to parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim in a defamation case, admitted he’s ‘pigheadedly’ supported Trump throughout the years. But, he said on his InfoWars podcast, he’s now backing DeSantis, who is ‘way better than Trump.’
The billionaire donor board members of the RNC club have an agenda.
Remember, it’s a private club and there are billions -if not trillions- at stake.
A sudden surge in contributions for 2015/2016 coinciding with the Transpacific Partnership (TPP) push.
Where did the money come from? Club for Growth:
DeSantis votes to approve TPP, the biggest multinational trade sellout program, surpassing even NAFTA in consequence.
What did Club for Growth do next:
So, on the issue of international trade, multinational corporate influence, U.S. economic policy and Wall Street -vs- Main Street, we can clearly see why the billionaires in the club would be pushing tens-of-millions into the financing of Ron DeSantis as a Trump alternative.
There are trillions at stake.
It’s DeJa’Vu all over again…
LISTEN
AGAIN, I say... For Those with Eyes to See
As some still won't see it, even if I told them Club For Growth was Turtle and the Chamber of Commerce-AKA Establishment.
Club for Growth joins GOP to save the establishment and destroy conservatives
They are all dirty.
I wonder if the Club eventually donated to Trump when they knew the Bush establishment attack-- GrabPussyGate wasn't going to stop him?
This was when they planned to install Pence & Ryan in 2016 when Trump was the nominee.
LINK
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:24 am to David_DJS
DeSantis appeals more to moderates pvssed off at Democrat party too. I’m more likely to vote for DeSantis over Biden. Trump vs Biden…I’m not voting for Trump ever!
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:33 am to GumboPot
Good post, gumbopot ….. I’ll add this:
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The billionaire donor board members of the RNC club have an agenda.
Remember, it’s a private club and there are billions -if not trillions- at stake. A sudden surge in contributions for 2015/2016 coinciding with the Transpacific Partnership (TPP) push. Where did the money come from? Club for Growth:
DeSantis votes to approve TPP, the biggest multinational trade sellout program, surpassing even NAFTA in consequence. What did Club for Growth do next:
So, on the issue of international trade, multinational corporate influence, U.S. economic policy and Wall Street -vs- Main Street, we can clearly see why the billionaires in the club would be pushing tens-of-millions into the financing of Ron DeSantis as a Trump alternative. There are trillions at stake.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:35 am to Palmetto98
On what issues do you see DeSantis being more “moderate” than Trump, such that you think he is more appealing?
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