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re: For Those with Eyes to See...another peak inside the DeSantis/GOP Club closet.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:49 pm to Angry Bruce Pearl
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:49 pm to Angry Bruce Pearl
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I don't know where this "DeSantis is a GOPe plant" idea came from
Mildly functional retards who are so obsessed with Trump that anyone that proves he might be as good or better than Trump, get triggered.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:50 pm to cajunangelle
DeSantis is not some rich elite. He is self made and more of a blue collar guy. If he was opposition, he wouldn't be so far ahead of them. RD plays offense and they have to play defense against him. You're falling for some bullshite.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:53 pm to BugAC
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The 2 “conservatives” on here that continuously try to attack or cast doubt on DeSantis despite his entire career of his actions that prove who he is, all because they are fanatics over a politician is so sad and strange. Liking DeSantis and liking what he’s done is not gonna cause Trump to get mad at you. Stop being like the left.
The vitriol towards Trump is at least two fold the level of that of Desantis. You’re being dismissive and condescending in your own post there.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:03 pm to Landmass
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DeSantis is not some rich elite. He is self made and more of a blue collar guy. If he was opposition, he wouldn't be so far ahead of them. RD plays offense and they have to play defense against him. You're falling for some bullshite
Thank you. His background is unquestionably working class, his mom was a nurse and his dad was a cable guy. Ron, as a non-legacy, was able to get into Yale and then go to Harvard law after that. He also competed in the Little League World Series as a kid, joined the Navy after law school, and was a JAG. These are all things that should be celebrated. When Ron declares that he's running for president (he has 120 million+ cash on hand and he's only going to need a fraction of that to beat Crist, he's running for president) he will highlight these things to endear him to voters who don't know him beyond his governorship. He's also done all this by age 43, it's not like he's a fossil like everyone else that wants the presidency.
If Trump weren't in the picture it would be understood by all that the nomination was his if he wanted to run. Nobody else currently on the Republican bench is in his galaxy. He is so obviously the best candidate that it makes me certain the GOP will find a way to run Trump again and piss it all away.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:03 am to davyjones
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The vitriol towards Trump is at least two fold the level of that of Desantis. You’re being dismissive and condescending in your own post there.
Here’s the difference.
The vitriol towards Trump comes from unhinged Leftists that have made him some evil genius who’s also retarded and literally Hitler.
The vitriol towards DeSantis is the passive aggressive variety from a faction of conservatives who, for some weird reason, are insecure in their belief in Trump.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:23 am to GumboPot
This is weird. Ben Shapiro is not a Never-Trumper. Other than that weird, appalled thing he did with Jan 6 right after it happened {which admittedly i too didn’t really know what the frick was happening) he’s pretty much onboard.
This article is a bunch of horseshite.
This article is a bunch of horseshite.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:25 am to David_DJS
While I appreciate that opinion, I have a much different view of it. What I see is, yes, an inordinate amount of vitriol directed at Trump right now, but I believe the primary reasoning for that is because he’s perceived as being the likely 2024 candidate, as well as his endorsement program. Thus he’s the most clear and present danger to the left’s current ability to manipulate the entire “system” for their own personal enrichment, etc. In other words, their current ability to do what all they do. Not exclusively because it’s just Trump. Thus, if you changed out the identity of that most significant danger to the left, then they respond in kind and direct all the vitriol to that person. Which goes back to my perplexity at the disbelief that Desantis would become the target of the exact smear campaign as Trump if and when Desantis becomes that clear “top threat”.
Also, I perceive the exact type vitriol from loyalists of Desantis towards Trump, re: the final point you make. It looks to me like a textbook give and take, two way street. And I strongly wish it weren’t like that.
Also, I perceive the exact type vitriol from loyalists of Desantis towards Trump, re: the final point you make. It looks to me like a textbook give and take, two way street. And I strongly wish it weren’t like that.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:30 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:51 am to GumboPot
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:06 am to davyjones
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Thus, if you changed out the identity of that most significant danger to the left, then they respond in kind and direct all the vitriol to that person. Which goes back to my perplexity at the disbelief that Desantis would become the target of the exact smear campaign as Trump if and when Desantis becomes that clear “top threat”.
First, who you back shouldn’t be influenced by anything the opposition or press does. Just my view, but I think those actors are best ignored.
But regarding the treatment someone other than Trump would receive - I don’t agree with your suggestion. DeSantis would get unfavorable/unfair pressure, no doubt. But Trump is a special case because of how personal he gets. I don’t care that he does, but the ego Janice that populate Capitol Hill (politicians and media) absolutely do care about that. And it’s mutual - for whatever reason Trump can’t stop caring what others say about him.
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Also, I perceive the exact type vitriol from loyalists of Desantis towards Trump, re: the final point you make. It looks to me like a textbook give and take, two way street. And I strongly wish it weren’t like that.
I think you’re very wrong about this. Consider it this way.
Trump and DeSantis go at it in the primary, and -
1. Trump wins. What percentage of DeSantis voters do not come out to vote for Trump in the general?
2. DeSantis wins. What percentage of Trump voters do not come out to vote for De Santiago in the general?
I would bet my house that 5-10 times more Trump voters wouldn’t show for DeSantis than the other way around. It may even be north of 10x.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:19 am to David_DJS
Perhaps you disagree with the assertion that the left and MSM just blatantly fabricated most all the stories and accusations and allegations that were intended to damage him worst, both politically and criminal liability. And otherwise if an instance wasn’t blatantly fabricated, then it was maybe something with a grain of accuracy but then again blatantly manipulated it. And they did so with complete impunity/immunity.
Being that they are now fully aware that this practice of using completely fabricated smears and stories is welcomed by those who might have any punitive power over them, why at all would they knowingly elect to keep that in their pocket and refrain from using? Out of integrity or professionalism? And they do believe that that this particular tactic won the last election. So if anything, I can see them actually using a juiced up version of all the same things, having now had the benefit of trial and error, thus now an even more nasty form of their gorilla war against Trump previously.
Being that they are now fully aware that this practice of using completely fabricated smears and stories is welcomed by those who might have any punitive power over them, why at all would they knowingly elect to keep that in their pocket and refrain from using? Out of integrity or professionalism? And they do believe that that this particular tactic won the last election. So if anything, I can see them actually using a juiced up version of all the same things, having now had the benefit of trial and error, thus now an even more nasty form of their gorilla war against Trump previously.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 1:26 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:22 am to loogaroo
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Every Trump supporter on here is all in on DeSantis.
This is completely false.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:30 am to NawlinsTiger9
You’re exactly right about that, and the converse/inverse is exactly right as well. But I will tender my own opinion that expands on the topic a little: there is more indication of willingness to vote for Desantis by Trump supporters than the opposite. Just my observation.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:50 am to davyjones
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Perhaps you disagree with the assertion that the left and MSM just blatantly fabricated most all the stories and accusations and allegations that were intended to damage him worst, both politically and criminal liability. And otherwise if an instance wasn’t blatantly fabricated, then it was maybe something with a grain of accuracy but then again blatantly manipulated it. And they did so with complete impunity/immunity.
What? You r lost me here.
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Out of integrity or professionalism?
Weird.
I was pretty clear in my post why I thought another candidate would likely not get it quite as bad as Trump, and it has nothing to do with integrity and professionalism. In fact, quite the opposite.
Is this post of yours responding to mine?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:12 am to David_DJS
Looks like were not reading each other clearly because I thought mine was pretty straightforward as well. No big deal.
I’ll try again, a little differently. The comment about integrity was merely tongue in cheek aimed at the left. It’s irrelevant.
Here goes the bottom line question: why would the left not direct the same exact level of vitriol at Desantis as they did Trump, seeing as how they now believe that that exact level of vitriol was the primary weapon that won them the election?
See I’m saying that none of the vitriol has anything whatsoever to do with anything else than a weapon against a political foe. They couldn’t care less about Trump’s personality or negative character traits or anything else.** They use the nasty vitriol wholly as a weapon, and would use the exact same weapon against Desantis.
**eta: take it back, they are indeed offended by one particular Trump trait, and that’s his endless self-confidence, much the opposite of most of the left. Aka envy
I’ll try again, a little differently. The comment about integrity was merely tongue in cheek aimed at the left. It’s irrelevant.
Here goes the bottom line question: why would the left not direct the same exact level of vitriol at Desantis as they did Trump, seeing as how they now believe that that exact level of vitriol was the primary weapon that won them the election?
See I’m saying that none of the vitriol has anything whatsoever to do with anything else than a weapon against a political foe. They couldn’t care less about Trump’s personality or negative character traits or anything else.** They use the nasty vitriol wholly as a weapon, and would use the exact same weapon against Desantis.
**eta: take it back, they are indeed offended by one particular Trump trait, and that’s his endless self-confidence, much the opposite of most of the left. Aka envy
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 2:22 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 7:42 am to NawlinsTiger9
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This is completely false.
No its not
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:46 pm to davyjones
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Here goes the bottom line question: why would the left not direct the same exact level of vitriol at Desantis as they did Trump, seeing as how they now believe that that exact level of vitriol was the primary weapon that won them the election?
See I’m saying that none of the vitriol has anything whatsoever to do with anything else than a weapon against a political foe. They couldn’t care less about Trump’s personality or negative character traits or anything else.** They use the nasty vitriol wholly as a weapon, and would use the exact same weapon against Desantis.
**eta: take it back, they are indeed offended by one particular Trump trait, and that’s his endless self-confidence, much the opposite of most of the left. Aka envy
Because love him or hate him, Trump is pretty unique in what he brings out in people. Trump has said as much himself, and he's right. The level of sychophantry (is that a word?) and intense/outright hatred for Trump is off the charts, and DeSantis elicits nothing like it.
Look at this board - Trump can cheerlead/fund the destruction of an incredible economy (that he helped build), flood the country with checks with his own signature, subject America to Fauci, Pence, Bolton, etc ... and 70% of his PT supporters don't give a frick. But DeSantis moves his press secretary from his administration to his campaign, and we get two threads on this board about how that little move is proof (or close to proof) that he's GOPe.
Last comment here - about Trump's self-confidence. I don't think that's a problem for him. I actually think the guy is a little insecure. You don't need approval from everybody (especially your opponents) as much as Trump does if you're secure/confident in yourself.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:09 pm to David_DJS
Only point I’ll make to that one is that the things you list and briefly describe each, for which PT Trump supporters don’t give a frick, and I acknowledge I only speak for myself, but it must be noted that it’s quite possibly and even most likely the case that those others have a much different assessment and perception of those examples than what yours is. And I am getting a feel for where you land on that topic, i.e. your way is really the only reasonable and accurate way to view it, but as you might imagine, I think otherwise.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:15 pm to GumboPot
Articles like this make the MAGA movement look more like a cult of personality than an actual political ideology.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:23 pm to Angry Bruce Pearl
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Thank you. His background is unquestionably working class, his mom was a nurse and his dad was a cable guy. Ron, as a non-legacy, was able to get into Yale and then go to Harvard law after that. He also competed in the Little League World Series as a kid, joined the Navy after law school, and was a JAG. These are all things that should be celebrated. When Ron declares that he's running for president (he has 120 million+ cash on hand and he's only going to need a fraction of that to beat Crist, he's running for president) he will highlight these things to endear him to voters who don't know him beyond his governorship. He's also done all this by age 43, it's not like he's a fossil like everyone else that wants the presidency.
If Trump weren't in the picture it would be understood by all that the nomination was his if he wanted to run. Nobody else currently on the Republican bench is in his galaxy. He is so obviously the best candidate that it makes me certain the GOP will find a way to run Trump again and piss it all away.
If I could upvote this post a zillion times, I would.
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