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re: For Those with Eyes to See...another peak inside the DeSantis/GOP Club closet.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:25 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:25 pm to boosiebadazz
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Articles like this make the MAGA movement look more like a cult of personality than an actual political ideology.
Ya think?
The MAGAts have no core beliefs other than Trump good.
If Trump announced tomorrow that he thinks teaching CRT is essential in grade schools and that trans women are women, all of the Trump supporters would fall in line and echo those same beliefs.
It is absolutely a cult of personality.
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:27 pm to GumboPot
Sir this is a Wendy’s
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:32 pm to Message Board User
By far the worst look in connection with that article is the person who takes that article, or any article, and so blatantly applies it to a vast number of people. Textbook example of the ugly practice of “overgeneralizing”.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:33 pm to Message Board User
The case for Ron over Trump is pretty compelling:
1) Trump gave us, and kept, Fauci
2) Trump has a low ceiling and won't break 45%
3) Trump bashed red states including Kemp in Georgia for opening too soon and was pro-lockdown before he flip-flopped
4) Trump gave us, and kept, Fauci
5) Trump will be spending all of 2024 talking about voter fraud which only about 10-20% of the population even think is an issue (oh yeah, and if the election was stolen it happened under his watch)
6) Ron's performance during Covid was the best of any governor
7) Ron picks fights he can win...and he wins them (e.g. Disney)
8) By telling Georgia republicans to stay home in Jan 2021, Trump handed the Dems 2 senate seats (leading to Biden's recent legislative wins)
9) Ron is disciplined and won't do stupid shite during debates like Trump did
10) Trump gave us, and kept, Fauci
1) Trump gave us, and kept, Fauci
2) Trump has a low ceiling and won't break 45%
3) Trump bashed red states including Kemp in Georgia for opening too soon and was pro-lockdown before he flip-flopped
4) Trump gave us, and kept, Fauci
5) Trump will be spending all of 2024 talking about voter fraud which only about 10-20% of the population even think is an issue (oh yeah, and if the election was stolen it happened under his watch)
6) Ron's performance during Covid was the best of any governor
7) Ron picks fights he can win...and he wins them (e.g. Disney)
8) By telling Georgia republicans to stay home in Jan 2021, Trump handed the Dems 2 senate seats (leading to Biden's recent legislative wins)
9) Ron is disciplined and won't do stupid shite during debates like Trump did
10) Trump gave us, and kept, Fauci
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:34 pm to boosiebadazz
Look at the cultists on this board and the antibody reaction when DeSantis is brought up as being a better more suitable candidate than Trump. They lose their minds and are Lincoln Project establishment shill trying to undermine that MAGA movement
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:37 pm to davyjones
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o me it’s a vast, vast difference between the two situations. Joe Biden is directly implicated in Hunter’s situation, amongst many other categories of nefarious things. The two aren’t even in the same universe IMO.
Jared was and will be an integral part of trumps policy. Trying to minimize this will do no good.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:41 pm to Adam Banks
Great, I’m not very impressed with all those highly negative opinions regarding Kushner anyway.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:46 pm to davyjones
So you are ok with a senior advisor to the president getting billions from Saudis?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:54 pm to Message Board User
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The MAGAts have no core beliefs other than Trump good.
Not true. MAGA wants strong borders, trade deals that don’t rape the working class and noninterventionist foreign policy that keeps our kids from coming home in bodybags.
The uniparty hates this.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:55 pm to Message Board User
I disagree.
He gets booed every time he defends the vaccines.
He gets booed every time he defends the vaccines.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:56 pm to Adam Banks
I’m not ok with taking your word on that. Or anyone else’s here. Or any media outlet. Think about it, there’s a person here who emphatically denounces Donald Trump, just in general. One could justifiably say biased against him. Why would I believe what that person says grievously about him or or family and close associates?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:03 pm to davyjones
Jared Kushner founded affinity partners.
Affinity partners received 2 billion from Saudi Arabia.
This isn’t disputed.
Jared was absolutely an integral part to the administration of Donald Trump.
Is he going to fire his son in law?
Affinity partners received 2 billion from Saudi Arabia.
This isn’t disputed.
Jared was absolutely an integral part to the administration of Donald Trump.
Is he going to fire his son in law?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:07 pm to Adam Banks
As you’ve briefly described it there, **insinuating that there’s sanctionable or nefarious intentions involved, I absolutely dispute it. Again, no offense intended, but I damn sure ain’t taking your word for it. It’s an easy conclusion on my part that you’re not exactly an unbiased source on the matter.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:09 pm to Adam Banks
Jared should not work for Trump in an official capacity during Trump’s second term. Too much potential for conflicts of interest.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:14 pm to Tesla
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100%
Gumbopot is DNC operative
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:25 pm to davyjones
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And I am getting a feel for where you land on that topic, i.e. your way is really the only reasonable and accurate way to view it, but as you might imagine, I think otherwise.
You're right. I see no way shutting down an economy, spending trillions, locking kids out of schools, etc., is reasonable for a virus that is a legit threat to very, very few of the people being shut/locked down. Now here's where you say one or two things -
1. "But Trump didn't do that. It was governors and mayors." And my answer is - Trump funded it all. He made it possible for all those assholes to do a-hole things. And because I like him and voted for him doesn't mean I don't hold him accountable. DT shite the bed bigly on Covid, and it fricked this country up big time.
2. "You're Monday morning quarterbacking. Nobody knew Covid wasn't going to live up to its hype." But that's also BS. There were plenty of people that understood what was happening, and what a reasonable response to the virus would have been. Trump himself intuitively understood - go back to his initial statements, "we have to make sure the cure isn't worse than the virus" or something like that. Trump's intuition was spot on, but he bowed to pressure from the Left/media instead of leading.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:59 pm to David_DJS
Look, kudos for laying out your opinions on these topics rather well. I’ve much more often seen vehement critics of Trump and the array of issues for debate merely drop unremarkable one line talking points, but never come back to the call for further detail. So you stand out in that respect. That said, we agree on very little on these subjects.
The one thing I would say for the sake pf brevity, as I’m a dreaded “long poster,” is that in my view you’ve immensely oversimplified the response to covid by Trump issue. I mean, if we were given instructions to brainstorm and compile very relatively significant factor and consideration that would have been responsible to figure in, I sense that you would ignore or dismiss a bunch of very significant ones.
For instance, it’s not simply about what and how you now believe was the best set of actions throughout the thing, but moreover how to most efficiently get to the goal of convincing the majority of the country’s citizens that everything’s gonna be ok, you can go back out into society and participate in the all-important American economy in order to head back towards “normal”. The vast majority of people weren’t in your boat in that you had it all figured out pretty much right off. You were in the minority. And to have introduced what you believed to be right, to essentially dismiss all the claims of a very serious and even deadly pandemic….that approach would have instigated unbridled panic, extreme confusion and deep distrust, and then there’s no telling the grave consequences of that. So even if Trump may’ve agreed with many of your sentiments, it wasn’t actually viable in practice at that time. The President has more than just you and those similarly situated to consider.
By the way, exactly who was it that Trump should’ve up and dismissed the current people in favor of that would have nipped the thing in the bud?
***See, long posting bastard here. Told you.
The one thing I would say for the sake pf brevity, as I’m a dreaded “long poster,” is that in my view you’ve immensely oversimplified the response to covid by Trump issue. I mean, if we were given instructions to brainstorm and compile very relatively significant factor and consideration that would have been responsible to figure in, I sense that you would ignore or dismiss a bunch of very significant ones.
For instance, it’s not simply about what and how you now believe was the best set of actions throughout the thing, but moreover how to most efficiently get to the goal of convincing the majority of the country’s citizens that everything’s gonna be ok, you can go back out into society and participate in the all-important American economy in order to head back towards “normal”. The vast majority of people weren’t in your boat in that you had it all figured out pretty much right off. You were in the minority. And to have introduced what you believed to be right, to essentially dismiss all the claims of a very serious and even deadly pandemic….that approach would have instigated unbridled panic, extreme confusion and deep distrust, and then there’s no telling the grave consequences of that. So even if Trump may’ve agreed with many of your sentiments, it wasn’t actually viable in practice at that time. The President has more than just you and those similarly situated to consider.
By the way, exactly who was it that Trump should’ve up and dismissed the current people in favor of that would have nipped the thing in the bud?
***See, long posting bastard here. Told you.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:11 pm to GumboPot
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Jared should not work for Trump in an official capacity during Trump’s second term. Too much potential for conflicts of interest.
So there wasn't conflict of interest in the first term, so that was OK, but he shouldn't have a role in any 2nd term because of conflict interest.
Got it.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:16 pm to David_DJS
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You're right. I see no way shutting down an economy, spending trillions, locking kids out of schools, etc., is reasonable for a virus that is a legit threat to very, very few of the people being shut/locked down. Now here's where you say one or two things -
1. "But Trump didn't do that. It was governors and mayors." And my answer is - Trump funded it all. He made it possible for all those assholes to do a-hole things. And because I like him and voted for him doesn't mean I don't hold him accountable. DT shite the bed bigly on Covid, and it fricked this country up big time.
2. "You're Monday morning quarterbacking. Nobody knew Covid wasn't going to live up to its hype." But that's also BS. There were plenty of people that understood what was happening, and what a reasonable response to the virus would have been. Trump himself intuitively understood - go back to his initial statements, "we have to make sure the cure isn't worse than the virus" or something like that. Trump's intuition was spot on, but he bowed to pressure from the Left/media instead of leading.
Amen.
It's important to remember that DeSantis was crucified by everyone in the media and from teachers unions for keeping the state open (remember that douchebag grim reaper guy that the media loved?). He went waaaaaay out on a limb and staked his political future on his against the grain covid response
Against the advice of "experts" Desantis:
- kept the beaches open
- kept businesses open
- kept the schools open
- prioritized seniors with the vaccine
And he was right every time.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:19 pm to LSUvet72
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100%
Gumbopot is DNC operative
No I'm not.
Look, there is an ongoing battle within the GOP to shape its mission going forward. For me that battle started in earnest with the Tea Party. We had good leaders arise out of the Tea Party like Ted Cruz. But the Tea Party was crushed by McConnell and establishment Republicans. The Tea Party's goals were generally, limited government, unapologetic U.S. sovereignty, and constitutional originalism.
While the Tea Party remained pretty dormant during Obama's second term a political vacuum was created. Donald Trump filled that vacuum. Trump's border, trade and foreign policies matched well with the Tea Party. Donald Trump really replaced the Tea Party with MAGA and further grew it with a diverse working class demographic.
Right now inside the GOP there is a fight between the McConnell establishment faction and the MAGA faction.
McConnell wants weak and open borders. MAGA doesn't.
McConnell wants trade giveaways to China. MAGA doesn't.
McConnell wants endless wars. MAGA doesn't.
Now the reason why the GOP has made it a STRONG suggestion inside the party to nominate governors since Reagan is due to the fact that governors do not have a track record on borders, trade and war. Governors have a blank slate on those issue. Now you see why the establishment is drooling over DeSantis?
That is why we see the establishment side of the GOP courting DeSanis. The GOPe realized they can't move forward without MAGA votes so the plan is to focus on issues all Republicans agree, abortion, tough on crime low taxes, 2A freedoms, school choice, judges, easy regulations and avoid issues where MAGA and the GOPe are conflicted, borders, trade and war.
With Trump we get MAGA everything all things Republicans agree on.
Without MAGA we get everything Republican agree on except we get weak borders, trade giveaways to China and war.
The overarching point of this thread, albeit not overtly explained, is to demonstrate the battle between MAGA and the establishment within the GOP. The direct point is to show how the establishment is trying to capture DeSantis and use him as a vehicle to get MAGA votes.
So going forward listen to what DeSantis is saying. Will he talk about borders, trade and war and to what extent? That will give you an indication of how captured he is by the establishment.
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