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re: For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?

Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:23 am to
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:23 am to
There was never a period without life. This whole “life begins” thing denies the basic and incontrovertible fact that life is passed on, it doesn’t end or begin at any point in the reproductive process.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:23 am to
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Do hardcore anti-abortionists believe Plan B is abortion?


I don't
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:26 am to
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OK What's the difference?


As I understand them, Plan B options interrupt or prevent ovulation, so no pregnancy ever occurs.

Abortion Pills are designed to end pregnancies out to 8 or 10 weeks.

Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:26 am to
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I don't

I think if I had to take a side about it, I would believe it is exactly the same thing

I just can't answer where the line is drawn
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:27 am to
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As I understand them, Plan B options interrupt or prevent ovulation, so no pregnancy ever occurs.

Abortion Pills are designed to end pregnancies out to 8 or 10 weeks.
I believe this is correct. The latter sometimes being referred to as Plan C
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:27 am to
Just as much as any other citizen “deserves” it.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:28 am to
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I think if I had to take a side about it, I would believe it is exactly the same thing

I just can't answer where the line is drawn
Well, plan B prevents implanatation of a fertilized egg.

But, somewhere between 30 and 50% of all fertilized eggs never implant anyway.

Hence, from my perspective, while it's probably technically true to consider the fertilization "conception", I tend to take the view that conception occurs when it implants.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:29 am to
Not if it is taken the next day without knowledge of whether or not there is a life within the womb. If there is a life and it’s known prior, then it is murder. Pure and simple.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:30 am to
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Not if it is taken the next day without knowledge of whether or not there is a life within the womb. If there is a life and it’s known prior, then it is murder. Pure and simple.

Well, Plan B can't be taken at the point one would know they're pregnant. I mean, I suppose you could physically take it, but that's not what plan B is for
Posted by Demshoes
Up in here
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:31 am to
My only point is that it seems to me a lot of pro-lifers only care about life up to the point a child is born and are not so much concerned about the quality of life after birth, which in too many cases sucks for these innocent kids born into terrible situations.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:31 am to
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As I understand them, Plan B options interrupt or prevent ovulation, so no pregnancy ever occurs.

Huh, interesting
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:32 am to
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As I understand them, Plan B options interrupt or prevent ovulation, so no pregnancy ever occurs.

Oh, I misread.

It doesn't prevent ovulation.

Prevents IMPLANTation
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:32 am to
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I don't have an answer and I'm pretty much agnostic about abortion


How can you possibly not have an answer. You either believe it is a human at some point during pregnancy or you believe it is not a human until birth.

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:32 am to
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There was never a period without life. This whole “life begins” thing denies the basic and incontrovertible fact that life is passed on, it doesn’t end or begin at any point in the reproductive process.


What sort of New Age hippie horse-zhit is this?

Of course there is a beginning and end to life as we know it and this kind of semantic bullzhit is WAYYY above YOUR pay grade, moron...

If you have the courage of your convictions then you would have no trouble throwing your azz in front of the short-bus that drops you off at home every day....
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:33 am to
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There was never a period without life. This whole “life begins” thing denies the basic and incontrovertible fact that life is passed on, it doesn’t end or begin at any point in the reproductive process.


What?!?!?
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 10:34 am
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:34 am to
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How can you possibly not have an answer. You either believe it is a human at some point during pregnancy or you believe it is not a human until birth.

Right, but as I said, I don't know at what point it is "human"

What's your take?
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:37 am to
I know, I’m saying that if knowledge of life is known, any attempt to “abort” that life is murder. Whether it’s plan b or an abortion clinic.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:39 am to
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Right, but as I said, I don't know at what point it is "human"



You know it is human once it is born I assume? So you just don't know if it human at any point prior to birth? Really?
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:42 am to
Since you are being a blatantly dishonest coward I will try another question. Do you feel there should be any limitations on abortion? Should a woman have the choice to terminate the pregnancy(assuming her life is not in danger) when the fetus/baby is viable outside the womb? Her body her choice correct?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:44 am to
Jesus Christ, man, I said I don't know "at what point"

Of course it's frickin human

Like I said, what's your take?
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