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re: For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:38 am to Dr Hawkenbush
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:38 am to Dr Hawkenbush
I am a physician that studied embryology as well. Life starts at conception. Sure some don’t make it due to defects. Some don’t make it outside the womb long due to defects as well. It was still human life.
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:41 am to Dr Hawkenbush
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More than half of the fertilizations do not go on to a live birth, that is even without elective abortions.
I feel like this doesn't get discussed enough. For the record, I'm definitely more in the undecided camp on early stage abortions.
I hear people say that God or Allah or whatever compels them to believe that life begins at conception. However, it would seem strange that so many of those conceived do not actually pull through. It's weird to think that God would intend for that to happen, but then also feel as though mothers shouldn't have any say.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:41 am to tigerskin
It’s a developing human at the moment of conception. This making it human at conception.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:42 am to tigerskin
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I am a physician that studied embryology as well. Life starts at conception. Sure some don’t make it due to defects. Some don’t make it outside the womb long due to defects as well. It was still human life.
I hear ya, but it's not just some. It's most. Don't you find that strange?
From a religious standpoint, I just find it hard to wrap my head around there being a God that created an environment in which most conceptions do not result in humans.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:45 am to mouton
quote:So 17 1/2 weeks is not human but 18 is? What changes?
18 weeks.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:51 am to JuiceTerry
If Human Life begins at the moment of Conception, then for those embryos that spontaneously about in the first few weeks of development and are just a "late period", do we give every tampon the Rite of Christian Burial?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:52 am to mouton
This isn’t complicated.
Life begins at conception. If it didn’t then the embryo wouldn’t grow if left alone. If you terminate something that’s living and growing that’s called murder I don’t care if you call it a speck, embryo, fetus, baby, etc.
So it doesn’t matter when you consider it to be human being. The question is when is it alive? conception.
But then you have those people who say what if you’re raped? Take the plan B pill IMMEDIATELY and you won’t have anything to worry about. You will prevent fertilization of the egg.
Life begins at conception. If it didn’t then the embryo wouldn’t grow if left alone. If you terminate something that’s living and growing that’s called murder I don’t care if you call it a speck, embryo, fetus, baby, etc.
So it doesn’t matter when you consider it to be human being. The question is when is it alive? conception.
But then you have those people who say what if you’re raped? Take the plan B pill IMMEDIATELY and you won’t have anything to worry about. You will prevent fertilization of the egg.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:54 am to mouton
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How can you possibly not have an answer
This is the same poster who swore up and down that DJT colluded with Russians without a shred of evidence.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:54 am to yatesdog38
quote:the alternative is murder for the sake of convenience. Rape doesn't change that. The mother always has the choice to give the baby up for adoption. There is absolutely no reason to murder a baby for convenience. There are countless people paying enormous amounts of money to adopt a baby and rape does nothing to diminish the potential of that baby
That rape of a teenager. I'm not sure where I stand on anyone over 18 being raped and having abortions.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:57 am to Dr Hawkenbush
quote:there is no personhood gap between parents and offspring. Personhood begins at conception. All of the constituents necessary for personhood are present at that moment
I have NO IDEA when the SOLE enters the body
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:58 am to JuiceTerry
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So 17 1/2 weeks is not human but 18 is? What changes?
Exactly. You oppose abortions after 18 weeks. Why not after 12 weeks?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:58 am to mouton
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At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
I believe the heartbeat is the threshold. Life ends when the heart and brain activity cease, so I think we can use the same logic to determine when life begins.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:59 am to cahoots
quote:so when is God supposed to allow a person to die?
It's weird to think that God would intend for that to happen
quote:murder for convenience is not within anyone's right
mothers shouldn't have any say
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:01 pm to bfniii
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the alternative is murder for the sake of convenience. Rape doesn't change that. The mother always has the choice to give the baby up for adoption. There is absolutely no reason to murder a baby for convenience. There are countless people paying enormous amounts of money to adopt a baby and rape does nothing to diminish the potential of that baby
It's more than "inconvenient" to be pregnant for 9 months with a baby put inside of you against your will. It's physically, psychologically, and financially taxing. Some women are never the same afterwards. It is impossible to predict at the onset of the pregnancy.
Convenience? C'mon dude
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:01 pm to tigerskin
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I am a physician that studied embryology as well.
BamaAxis disagrees....
Bama thinks life starts at taxation....
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:02 pm to mouton
quote:After 18 weeks is after 12 weeks
You oppose abortions after 18 weeks. Why not after 12 weeks?
I never said that anyway, you did
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:02 pm to bfniii
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murder for convenience is not within anyone's right
You and I have very different definitions of convenience
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:05 pm to bfniii
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so when is God supposed to allow a person to die?
I don't know that's why I am asking. Why did an all-powerful God decide that most of those conceived would never be born?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:06 pm to cahoots
Zero relevance to the thread and a lazy lazy post. Do better.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:08 pm to BBONDS25
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Zero relevance to the thread and a lazy lazy post. Do better.
Sorry, I just think it's ridiculous to say that giving birth to the baby of a rapist is merely "inconvenient."
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