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re: For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:45 am to JuiceTerry
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:45 am to JuiceTerry
He's back! 
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:52 am to Demshoes
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does this human deserve all the help it can get from the state if born into a wasteland of poverty and/or abuse?
I'd rather pay taxes that would support millions of American born children of legal US citizen Parents,who are born into poverty and/or abuse, than pay taxes to support millions of illegals.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:53 am to Demshoes
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My only point is that it seems to me a lot of pro-lifers only care about life up to the point a child is born and are not so much concerned about the quality of life after birth, which in too many cases sucks for these innocent kids born into terrible situations.
So, you'd be on board with outlawing Bad Parenting? Punishable, enforced and therein practical? Taking away the Freedom of bad parents to act in ways that are harmful to their child? And at some point in the near future - Genetic Engineering mechanisms becoming applicable - honestly assessing and acting on negative-impact Genetic characteristics which negatively impact quality of life scenarios for those children who are (immorally/impractically)'allowed' to be born by a morally/practically 'malfeasant' State which tolerates parent's right to bear children with those negative Genes?
Caring and good intentions is one thing...successful action is another.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:56 am to JuiceTerry
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Of course it's frickin human
When? Is it human at 7 months?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:56 am to mouton
3 months.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:56 am to JuiceTerry
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Do hardcore anti-abortionists believe Plan B is abortion?
I don't believe that any contraceptive is abortion. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Plan B designed to prevent egg implantation? I would imagine in some pro life circles this is considered abortion, but in my rational mind it isn't.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:57 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Are you suggesting we should kill some people so the state can reduce what it pays in benefits?
shite if that's the case, we should line up some adults for the shooting squads....
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:00 am to mouton
quote:Sure
When? Is it human at 7 months?
Preemies are born way the frick earlier and pull through
I'm not sure you're going to get a gotcha on me about this
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:05 am to Demshoes
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which in too many cases sucks for these innocent kids born into terrible situations.
This has been going on for centuries. Why does that lead people to say killing children in the womb is ok? I'm just asking.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:13 am to Demshoes
Sounds like a parents issue. We should kill people who have bad parents/are in a bad situation?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:18 am to JuiceTerry
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When? Is it human at 7 months? Sure Preemies are born way the frick earlier and pull through
Why was that so hard to answer? So you believe it is a human being once it is viable outside the womb. So you believe at a certain point in the pregnancy should be illegal right?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:19 am to mouton
i am pro choice in certain instances... but i also don't know much about it. I'm cool if there is a situation that endangers the mother immediately with death and alleviating that would be aborting the fetus. Better for 1 to die than 2. That rape of a teenager. I'm not sure where I stand on anyone over 18 being raped and having abortions. personally we should fix the foster system now. debate abortion tomorrow. it's easier to adopt foreign babies than American babies... dumb. That should be literally a quick fix and everyone holds the same moral opinions on this.
standard healthy mother no other issues I oppose abortion.
standard healthy mother no other issues I oppose abortion.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:23 am to jimbeam
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We should kill people who have bad parents/are in a bad situation?
Anyone who physically, sexually harms a child and its 100% proven. Should die.
For example, this guy who punched his 4 month old child and killed him/her. Should die, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Express line to the gallows.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:25 am to JuiceTerry
Some passing thoughts:
As a Physician who has thoroughly studied embryology and human development I have NO IDEA when Human Life begins.
As a Devote Christian I have NO IDEA when the SOUL enters the body.
More than half of the fertilizations do not go on to a live birth, that is even without elective abortions.
There are many conditions in which the fetus may develop a heart beat, yet be incapable of surviving outside the womb.
Terminating the life of a living individual, or one capable of independent life, is murder.
If a Woman/Family is ever faced with the situation where they must consider the possibility of terminating a pregnancy, they should seek guidance from their God and their Doctor. They shouldn't have to consult with the Government!
When you put the Government power of saying who can or can't have an Abortion, you also give them the power to, at some time in the future, say who MUST have an abortion! Welcome to Eugenics and Germany 1935!
We need to keep the Government out of this as much as possible!
If I as a very well educated Physician don't know when LIFE begins, I refuse to be told when LIFE begins by a bunch of people whose last exposure to any science, let alone any biological science, was giggling through Sex Ed in 6th Grade!!!
As a Physician who has thoroughly studied embryology and human development I have NO IDEA when Human Life begins.
As a Devote Christian I have NO IDEA when the SOUL enters the body.
More than half of the fertilizations do not go on to a live birth, that is even without elective abortions.
There are many conditions in which the fetus may develop a heart beat, yet be incapable of surviving outside the womb.
Terminating the life of a living individual, or one capable of independent life, is murder.
If a Woman/Family is ever faced with the situation where they must consider the possibility of terminating a pregnancy, they should seek guidance from their God and their Doctor. They shouldn't have to consult with the Government!
When you put the Government power of saying who can or can't have an Abortion, you also give them the power to, at some time in the future, say who MUST have an abortion! Welcome to Eugenics and Germany 1935!
We need to keep the Government out of this as much as possible!
If I as a very well educated Physician don't know when LIFE begins, I refuse to be told when LIFE begins by a bunch of people whose last exposure to any science, let alone any biological science, was giggling through Sex Ed in 6th Grade!!!
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:26 am to yatesdog38
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it's easier to adopt foreign babies than American babies... dumb.
And expensive as frick. I realize that having a child naturally is expensive, but it's downright robbery what you have to pay for to adopt a child that someone does not want. Especially if you have to pay to travel to other continents to do so. That's just not feasible for someone who is middle of the road income and can't have children.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:26 am to mouton
quote:It was quite simple to answer
Why was that so hard to answer?
Still can't tell you where the line is drawn
You're the one that refuses to answer your own question
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At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:29 am to JuiceTerry
So you believe it is a human being once it is viable outside the womb. So you believe at a certain point in the pregnancy should be illegal right?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:31 am to mouton
quote:Sure
So you believe it is a human being once it is viable outside the womb. So you believe at a certain point in the pregnancy should be illegal right?
When is that point?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:34 am to JuiceTerry
18 weeks.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:37 am to mouton
Just going by their spurious, self-serving rationalizations over the years, it can't be that far from being able to recite Hamlet's soliloquy.
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