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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:11 pm to notsince98
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:11 pm to notsince98
quote:Things are rarely ever truly proven, but regardless, these were PRELIMINARY findings and noting something as “likely” reflects that.
It says "likely" meaning it was not proven to be.
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:12 pm to buckeye_vol
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Things are rarely ever truly proven, but regardless, these were PRELIMINARY findings and noting something as “likely” reflects that.
Seriously. Like the ME is going to finish the complete report and say "oh shite i was wrong, my bad. This dude was having a heart attack before police even showed up"
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:12 pm to SmellslikeKevinBacon
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Sure, he died of Covid.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:13 pm to buckeye_vol
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Provide one example of a state’s criminal trial being tried in ANOTHER STATE.
Looks like you are correct on this. That usually only happens on a Federal Case. The venue will almost certainly be moved from Minneapolis though, and jury selection will take forever. That trial isn't happening any time soon.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:14 pm to TigerCruise
Gonna be hard to get a conviction with those findings.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:14 pm to buckeye_vol
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And the jury would hardly a jury of his peers.
gonna be interesting when the jury for this trial comes from Todd County, Minn.
a county that went 70%+ for Trump in 2016
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:14 pm to notsince98
quote:Right. So clearly the best way to help with that is to lay him face down on the ground while compressing his neck and chest.
Incorrect. Floyd started claiming he couldn't breath while standing upright and not being restrained by anything else but cuffs.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:15 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
Heroin OD, its gonna drop
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:15 pm to TigerCruise
I never thought he couldn’t breath....that seemed like a stretch. I did think his blood supply might have been cut off, kind of like when you put someone in a sleeper hold and they pass out, except the officer didn’t let off once he passed out.
But even though I thought something I didn’t come to a conclusion. I don’t understand why everyone likes to have their minds made up before the evidence is shown.
But even though I thought something I didn’t come to a conclusion. I don’t understand why everyone likes to have their minds made up before the evidence is shown.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:15 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Right. So clearly the best way to help with that is to lay him face down on the ground while compressing his neck and chest.
which the officers probably dismissed as another feeble attempt to resist arrest as he had already done several other acts like just falling down just to make the officers carry his weight
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:16 pm to buckeye_vol
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Allegedly (we don’t know if that came from the officers or audio from the arrest), but that doesn’t really help the cop since he then proceeded to put him in a restraint that they are trained to know is dangerous and kept him in the restraint after he was unconscious, told he didn’t have a pulse, after bystanders begged him to stop because he might be dying, after an ambulance was called, AND AFTER the ambulance arrived.
apparently the guy was violently flailing and ended up being restrained on the ground.
I think the cop likely gets manslaughter but all you people hoping for murder are completely pissing on constitutionally protected due process and burden of proof in this country.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:20 pm to TigerCruise
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Medical examiner said they found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" in George Floyd's death
Ok, still doesn't change the cop's actions.
There is no reason to do what he did, yet cops do it all the time.
Do what needs to be done to apprehend someone, but once in custody, you have no need to he harsh and inflict pain, in fact, you are responsible for their well being at that point, or shoud be.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:24 pm to TigerCruise
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:25 pm to TigerCruise
This preliminary doesn't change much. Asphyxia or strangulation doesn't necessarily have gross autopsy findings and I could tell you just by looking at Floyd that he had hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. The ME will use the video to come to their final death certificate which will look something like restraint asphyxia or whatever term they want in Part 1 and then the natural disease and possibly toxicology findings in part 2. Whether they rule the manner a homicide or accident will depend on their own departmental policy about these types of cases.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:27 pm to rt3
quote:Yeah, I'm sure his lack of a pulse was also a feeble attempt to resist arrest, which is why Officer Chauvin continued to apply pressure to the back of his neck for another 2 1/2 minutes after they couldn't find one. Only after the paramedics came did Chauvin remove his knee from Floyd's lifeless body.
which the officers probably dismissed as another feeble attempt to resist arrest as he had already done several other acts like just falling down just to make the officers carry his weight
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:29 pm to TigerCruise
Eyez kant breefs!!
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:35 pm to TigerCruise
I’d bet money the dude died of either excited delirium or a CHF exacerbation from all the fighting with the police.
By no means am I saying what the officer did was right. I think that he should have given the dude medical attention when he said he couldn’t breath but I don’t think the knee on him killed him.
By no means am I saying what the officer did was right. I think that he should have given the dude medical attention when he said he couldn’t breath but I don’t think the knee on him killed him.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:38 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Yeah, I'm sure his lack of a pulse was also a feeble attempt to resist arrest, which is why Officer Chauvin continued to apply pressure to the back of his neck for another 2 1/2 minutes after they couldn't find one. Only after the paramedics came did Chauvin remove his knee from Floyd's lifeless body.
I've stated earlier in this thread as soon as the other officer noted he couldn't find a pulse that's when they should've taken action to make sure he was physically ok
everything before that point is on the deceased and his prior actions
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:40 pm to rt3
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I've stated earlier in this thread as soon as the other officer noted he couldn't find a pulse that's when they should've taken action to make sure he was physically ok
everything before that point is on the deceased and his prior actions
So it's ok for an officer to kneel on someone's neck, up until the point they don't have a pulse? That should be the defining point where they stop kneeling on one's neck?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:42 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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safely infer
And we can just as easily infer that being restrained could mean being handcuffed. These are criminal charges. Inference is not sufficient for conviction, IMO.
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