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re: Florida teacher, Disney employees among 219 arrested in human trafficking operation
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:04 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:04 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:’SFP is dead right on this. The Q conspiracy was about actual human trafficking. This is about prostitution that they are just renaming human trafficking.
Human trafficking is a Qanon conspiracy theory” ~ SFP
Gets shown evidence of human trafficking
“See, this proves my point”
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:05 pm to Penrod
I read the article in the OP to literally be a sting focusing primarily on the demand side of trafficking.
I’m not sure what “normal prostitution” is.
I’m not sure what “normal prostitution” is.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think this issue gets people cross-wise in part because there are layers of coded meaning in it. Is it just about facilitating sex work? Committed by anyone? Facilitated by elites? Child sex exploitation? Ritual satanic rituals? I don't think it would be as contentious if it didn't have the ur-conspiracy theory that could be implied or misread to imply.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I provided the data later, after a lot of emotional thinkers exposed themselves.
I can provide more.
My statement still stands and is still true: Human trafficking, per the data I cited, is primarily labor trafficking (which includes forced marriages)
Your source is the International Labor Organization. And per their methodology arranged marriages are equivalent to sex trafficking minors. I think most sane, rational humans do not believe an arranged marriage = raping a child for money. But, your stats do. And I am just certain that the International Labor Organization is completely unbiased. And they no doubt have their finger on the pulse of the global sex trafficking industry. The stats you keep bumping your chest over have been debunked by a much more reputable source. And yet you cling to them because they downplay sex trafficking. I wonder why that is?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:06 pm to roadGator
quote:
Congrats on batting below the Mendoza line.
By batting 1.000?
I see one post. I respond to one post. That's a perfect reply rate.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:07 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:
“That’s just standard old pimps and hookers prostitution” ~ SFP
The subject even says “human trafficking”.
We know that means that kidnapped children were being raped
Disney employees means it is double evil
This is nothing that resembles standard “pimp and ho” work
quote:
Freddy Escalona, 30, and Maria Guzman, 36, were charged with human trafficking and deriving proceeds from prostitution. Escalona, police said, lent money to a victim to fix her vehicle, and after she was unable to pay him back, he allegedly forced her into prostitution. When Escalona drove the victim to the undercover location, he was taken into custody and told detectives he had "several females that he worked," or who paid him to transport them and keep them safe, Judd said.
See!
A pimp would never drive his hoes around and offer protection
Grady Judd is a grandstanding clown. All he has to say is “human trafficking” and you mindless twats think he’s put away a bunch of pedos. “Disney” is the cherry on top.
Reality is, he nabbed a hundred couple hundred johns / hookers, and a couple dozen pimps. It says as much in the Fox article, if any of y’all would actually read it.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:08 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
I think this issue gets people cross-wise in part because there are layers of coded meaning in it. Is it just about facilitating sex work? Committed by anyone? Facilitated by elites? Child sex exploitation? Ritual satanic rituals? I don't think it would be as contentious if it didn't have the ur-conspiracy theory that could be implied or misread to imply.
That's why, even though I am clear what type of human trafficking I claim doesn't exist, they have to rely on lies and straw men about my point.
When this popped off a few months ago I pointed this out in great detail. Hell, "child sex trafficking" is a squishy term within the US, because there is a very small population of children who are trafficked into the US for sex slavery, but the majority are runaway teens who have no other economic avenue. It's not the same thing for a 6 year old Central American child to be brought here specifically for rape and a 17 year old to rely on sex work as a runaway.
*ETA: during the previous discussions I would compare the same population who freaked out about the knockout game to the ones falling for this moral panic, but I have a better example: Momo.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:09 pm to roadGator
quote:
DU perhaps.
I live in a social world of libs and the only place I ever hear DU mentioned is here. And you can go almost anywhere and find libs - just not here.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:11 pm to captdalton
quote:
And per their methodology arranged marriages are equivalent to sex trafficking minors. I think most sane, rational humans do not believe an arranged marriage = raping a child for money.
Clearly you don't understand what is expected of subjugated wives in these cultures.
quote:
And yet you cling to them because they downplay sex trafficking.
But they don't
And I posted multiple sources. Like 4 or 5.
You posted...1. And it's too large for me to get into tonight, but you embarrassed yourself last time when you relied on studies that didn't say what you thought they did.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:13 pm to captdalton
quote:
I think most sane, rational humans do not believe an arranged marriage = raping a child for money.
Does anything besides “raping a child for money” = human trafficking?
Regardless, arranged marriage of a minor is much closer to child rape than anything described in the OP article.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:17 pm to MrFreakinMiyagi
Also I'm reading his source, and the data set is completely shite for this discussion.
They use criminal records and forced human labor isn't even illegal in most of these countries. That data is also from 2006. The report even admits labor trafficking is under-reported in the data it relies on.
quote:
The data also can give some tentative insights into the profile of the victims. Victims of human trafficking were identified through the criminal justice process and through victims’ assistance organizations. Over 21,400 victims were identified in 2006 among the 111 countries reporting victim data for that year. As with the offenders, the profile of the victims is highly influenced by local laws and priorities, which often focus on child victims and victims of sexual exploitation (usually women). With this caveat in mind, in the 61 countries where the gender and age of the victim were specified, two thirds of the identified victims were women and 13% were girls.
In the 52 countries where the form of exploitation was specified, 79% of the victims were subjected to sexual exploitation. While it remains likely that labour exploitation and male victims are relatively under-detected, the over-representation of sexually exploited women is true across regions, even in countries where other forms of trafficking are routinely detected.
They use criminal records and forced human labor isn't even illegal in most of these countries. That data is also from 2006. The report even admits labor trafficking is under-reported in the data it relies on.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:28 pm to TigerDoc
Libs aren’t the problem.
Progressive shite heads are.
Progressive shite heads are.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m pretty sure you had also had your eyes closed in little league too.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:36 pm to roadGator
I was actually a little league all star lol.
I couldn't hit elitely but I could pitch and play everywhere defensively except catcher
I couldn't hit elitely but I could pitch and play everywhere defensively except catcher
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Also I'm reading his source, and the data set is completely shite for this discussion.
You have to just be trolling. There is no way even you can claim with a straight face that the International Labour Organization and the Walk Free Foundation (whatever this is) that you keep citing are more legitimate sources on global human trafficking data than the U.N. and U.S. State Department.
U.S. State Department Estimates 27 Million Victims of Trafficking
U.N. Global Report on Trafficking 2020
Full Global Report on Trafficking Persons
Why don’t you read that last report and point out all the errors. If nothing else, since it is 292 pages long, it will keep you occupied for days.
Again, I question why you are so hell bent on convincing everyone that sex trafficking does not occur in the United States. No one goes to as much time and trouble as you do on a subject without having some type of deep seeded motivation.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:46 pm to captdalton
quote:
sex trafficking does not occur in the United States
You can't stop lying
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
You can't stop lying
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:57 pm to captdalton
So you are arguing human trafficking occurs more here than Asia? Eastern Europe? Africa? Or are you arguing those areas are close to the US? Because you would have to be arguing one of those takes to disagree with my post...or you can't read
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nope, but I am saying it does happen here. I have never stated it happens more or at a higher rate here than in Asia, Africa, or anywhere else. Just that it DOES happen here.
Unlike you, who has stated multiple times in multiple threads, including in this one, that it absolutely does not happen in the U.S. Sure, you later muddied the waters by admitting that it did occur here, but it wasn’t really trafficking, it was just prostitution. Blame it on semantics and definitions. When called on that, you then admitted it could have possibly happened. And then you admitted that yes, it probably has happened. But not enough to matter.
But your argument right out of the gate was that it does not happen in the U.S. At least try to figure out what you believe. Also, please go peruse that 292 page U.N. report. It seems to be what the U.S. government is relying on for statistics since the stats the State Department throw out are the same as those in that report. Comb through it all. Then get back with us.
I still can’t figure out your rationale for running cover for human traffickers. Or pimps. Or whatever you want to call them. Whatever you call them, you sure seem to be in their corner.
Unlike you, who has stated multiple times in multiple threads, including in this one, that it absolutely does not happen in the U.S. Sure, you later muddied the waters by admitting that it did occur here, but it wasn’t really trafficking, it was just prostitution. Blame it on semantics and definitions. When called on that, you then admitted it could have possibly happened. And then you admitted that yes, it probably has happened. But not enough to matter.
But your argument right out of the gate was that it does not happen in the U.S. At least try to figure out what you believe. Also, please go peruse that 292 page U.N. report. It seems to be what the U.S. government is relying on for statistics since the stats the State Department throw out are the same as those in that report. Comb through it all. Then get back with us.
I still can’t figure out your rationale for running cover for human traffickers. Or pimps. Or whatever you want to call them. Whatever you call them, you sure seem to be in their corner.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:11 pm to captdalton
SFP's language was too dismissive, but he's right that there's a moral panic element to this. I think this Cindy McCain story from a few years ago is instructive:
People hear about trafficking and they think of scenarios like this. Cindy McCain was the co-chair of Governor's Council on Human trafficking and thought she had helped the police had identify a case that wasn't a case and went and talked about it on the radio and bragged about it. The whole concept is confusing and gets people into retarded arguments.
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quote:
Cindy McCain, the wife of late Sen. John McCain, apologized this week after she reported what she believed to be a child trafficking attempt by a “woman of a different ethnicity than the child” – only to be refuted by the police.
“At Phoenix Sky Harbor, I reported an incident that I thought was trafficking,” McCain wrote on Twitter Wednesday. “I commend the police officers for their diligence. I apologize if anything else I have said on this matter distracts from ‘if you see something, say something.’”
During an interview with a local radio station on Monday, McCain was discussing human trafficking at the Super Bowl, when she later claimed that she stopped a child trafficking attempt at Phoenix airport last week.
“I came in from a trip I’d been on and I spotted — it looked odd — it was a woman of a different ethnicity than the child, this little toddler she had, and something didn’t click with me,” McCain told Arizona radio station KTAR. McCain herself has a daughter of a different race — she and her late husband adopted their daughter Bridget from Bangladesh.
She added, “I went over to the police and told them what I saw, and they went over and questioned her. And by God, she was trafficking that kid.”
McCain claimed that the woman was “waiting for the guy who bought the child to get off an airplane.”
Phoenix Police spokesman Sgt. Armando Carbajal confirmed that officers “conducted a Check Welfare on a child at the request of Mrs. Cindy McCain” on January 30.
“During the Check Welfare, officers determined there was no evidence of criminal conduct or child endangerment,” Carbajal said in a statement.
McCain has been a longtime advocate for the victims of human trafficking and is currently the co-chair of the Arizona Governor’s Council on Human Trafficking.
People hear about trafficking and they think of scenarios like this. Cindy McCain was the co-chair of Governor's Council on Human trafficking and thought she had helped the police had identify a case that wasn't a case and went and talked about it on the radio and bragged about it. The whole concept is confusing and gets people into retarded arguments.
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