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re: Flat tax

Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:30 pm to
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
20990 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:30 pm to
Better idea.

No tax.

Consumption tax won’t work either. Because goverbement will make it exorbitantly high.

They’d then look at what everyone made each year and refund those who have little anyway.

Do away with taxes
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21784 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

Maybe I am dense.

How does a flat tax take a higher percentage of income from low income workers versus high income workers?


You're not dense, he's using the Newspeak definition for "regressive". They like how the word "regressive" sounds, and since we don't have a regressive tax structure they've essentially changed the definition to "any tax a leftist doesn't think is fair".
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25615 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

"any tax a leftist doesn't think is fair".


That is what I was picking up on.

"Anything above 0% for almost half of the country is regressive" .
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:34 pm to
It’s a simple concept dude.

A 15% flat tax hurts a $40K household income budget more than a $200K household.

Why are yall so dense?

Posted by uncommon sense
Member since Feb 2024
80 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:48 pm to
Nay

I'm for a NO tax.


Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59978 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:45 pm to
quote:

You’re just regurgitating what you read on a flat tax website. Put some thought into it.

For starters - My post history on the FairTax/NRST is extensive, and everything I share that is not quoted and sourced is my own work. I have researched this plan extensively since I learned about it in 2000 from Neal Boortz. I don't need to lift notes from FairTax.org or any other site. I can hold my own in the discussion.

That you are conflating a flat tax with a National Retail Sales Tax proves that while one of us absolutely needs to look further into the matter, it is not me, and this will be my only reply in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 6:52 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78653 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:51 pm to
quote:

Flat tax



I don’t think we should tax them. They really can’t control it. And a lot of guys actually prefer it. But I do think we should give the ones with big ones a tax break.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
39135 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:41 pm to
I dated a Canadian back in the late 80's/early 90's. Canada had a federal 7% GST (goods and services tax) and a 6%Provencial sales tax, so they had 13% sales tax.

The grift in everything our government does is making them plan on 25%federal, if they do this.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21784 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:46 pm to
quote:

A 15% flat tax hurts


quote:

hurts


Like I said, you don't think it's "fair".

But regressive has an actual definition. You can make up whatever definitions for words you want, but don't expect others to accept them.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25615 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

Why are yall so dense?



Because you said that a flat tax is a higher percentage against low wage earners versus high wage earners.

That is obviously why i am so dense .
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 8:43 pm
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6452 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

As written, the National Retail Sales Tax completely replaced the income tax, repeals the 16th amendment, abolishes the IRS AND [removes the tax liability on everyone at the poverty line via its prebate system that's paid out to all households.


Seems to me this is the part to appeal to the UBI crowd.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22780 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 9:12 pm to
quote:

A flat tax sounds good in principle,


Because it is.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15047 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 11:49 pm to
Unless you are rich, this is a bad idea for you.

Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 11:59 pm to
quote:

Flat tax


If liberal democrats are against it. I vote yes.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:24 am to
How do you not get that take 15% of a $40K income makes it much harder to survive and get by than take 15% of $150K income?

Thats the whole frickin point. This board is blinded by their absolute hatred for the poor that yall advocate these brain dead policies that have absolutely zero change of becoming law.

Keep malding though. This board consistently has the most brain dead takes when it comes to tax policy.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
2033 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:05 am to
The Fair Tax im a bigger fan of.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25615 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:36 am to
quote:

Thats the whole frickin point.


It must be a different point.
Because that isn't what you originally said.

Is Obama care evil because it forces people to pay more than they previously wanted?

Paying into the system is inherently hatred for the poor?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25615 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:38 am to
quote:

This board is blinded by their absolute hatred for the poor


Is a progressive tax system hatred for the rich?

This board may be brain dead.
But you have a lot of juicy quotes in this thread.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59978 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:27 am to
quote:

Seems to me this is the part to appeal to the UBI crowd.

There are always going to be battle lines drawn at the point of income disparities when it comes to matters of taxation. The NRST "prebate" seeks to eliminate opposition to the plan based on something so simple as the typical class warfare rhetoric.

Each household gets a payment at the beginning of the month equal to the amount of tax that's expected to be paid for basic necessities for that family's size. Period. The prebate is irrespective of income.

This is why there are no exemptions/deductions/exceptions to the NRST being applied to all new goods & services.

If a Democrat wrote the plan, they'd be all for it, but it was written by a GA Congressman (John Linder) and the libs literally can't even because it doesn't actively seek to punish achievement.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59978 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:30 am to
quote:

Is a progressive tax system hatred for the rich?

In a manner of speaking, it could be perceived that way.

Behavioral Psychology 101 tells us that you get more of the behaviors that you reward, and fewer behaviors that you punish.

Impacting earnings by forcing the earner to pay more in taxes, simply by virtue of their being more successful seeks to punish that behavior (higher earnings).
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