re: FISA Application Breakdown

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There's nothing unique or criminal about this warrant app.

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Material misrepresentation on a warrant is a big felony.

So is wilful omission of fact.

Circular sourcing to manufacture credibility, and then lying about it... very clearly falls under this category.

So does not telling the FISC the basis source of funding of a significant portion of the rationale when you know who it is, but you omit it because it gravely damages credibility.

And I can’t imagine that it isn’t a crime to use unverified opposition research supplied by the opposing candidate as rationale to surveil the other opposing candidate.

Also, some of the many leaks from IC to the media to smear Trump surely came from all the collected communications from these FISA warrants.

If the IG currently investigating these things isn’t another swamp creature, there should be a whole bunch of criminal referrals from his report.

Late in the game, but

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My man! Seriously, flagrant law-breaking abuses by law enforcement types is terrible. Some might say rampant. I'm no fan of how the FBI has set up people for terrorist plots, for instance, by basically entrapping them. Simply to put some bogus anti terror statistics on the books. The fisa court has always been a rubber stamp wing of the IC. That should change. It isn't changing for at least 6 years because of a bill sponsored by Devin Nunes and passed easily by congress. There's nothing unique or criminal about this warrant app. The FBI will push the limits of what they can get away with and the court is going to accommodate as much as they can. It is what it is. The investigation was already ongoing. Carter Page is/was probably some type of spook. I don't think that precludes him from being surveilled by his own team. In fact, they were probably suspicious of him pulling some double agent stuff. I really don't know. He's an enigma. Whatever, the OP went full fake news when his points could have been made without it. If he wants to undermine his wonderful work with that kinda stuff, that's his prerogative.

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I said what I said. I suspect, and it is starting to become more clear, Obama's abuse of power is like nothing we have ever seen.

My concern is that a lot of this will be swept under the rug. But make no mistake, where there is smoke, at some point, judgement and reasoned speculation need to take place, whether we ever find out conclusively or not.

All I am doing is urging caution. Some of the conclusions being drawn are still a bridge too far.

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You said it was basically the same app each time. That's clearly not true, so I'm not sure why you're dragging the bottom by attacking those trying to point that out.

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They are basically the same application each time, as I said, with only a few changes.

You Lefties are purposely trying not to apply common sense all so you can make assumptions about the added pages of completely redacted content that fit your agenda.

Use your head. The unredacted parts are unredacted rationale because they don’t reveal any supposed sources and methods. The redacted parts are redacted because they supposedly reveal sources and methods.

How in the hell would Page’s, and that of his contacts, texts, emails, and phone calls reveal sources and methods? In what world would Page’s communications showing new evidence of him committing wrongdoing fit the concept of sources and methods??

Why would they unredact the rationale to secure the warrant, but redact the rationale (new evidence revealed by Page’s collected communications) to secure the renewals?

And AGAIN, why is Page walking free if there is supposedly 27 freaking pages of added evidence justifying warrant extensions under those redactions?

Use... your... damn... head.

There’s no new rationale that we can see. And not only is it wrong to make a convenient assumption about the 27 added pages to fit your biased hopes, but it’s absurdly illogical to think they show evidence of wrongdoing and rationale since Page was never charged with anything.

So yes, the applications are all nearly the same. The fluff under the redactions clearly isn’t, but the rationale we can see is.


And yes, I’m going to question your integrity when you continually skip right past a list of malfeasances and wrongdoing by the FBI just so you can try to discredit the work I did on this by making biased assumptions about relatively one small part.

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Also, none of the people you are sure committed crimes are under arrest, so I'm not a fan of the logic used for Carter being free either, unless you're prepared to accept it across the board.

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This is a really stupid argument.

Page was under investigation for over a year and having all his communications collected and analyzed to see if he colluded with Russians and committed crimes.

It’s kind of impossible to arrest and charge the people who lied, cheated, and abused their power when either there’s no investigation on them, or the investigation on them isn’t done yet, or the investigation on them is a sham because the swamp are the ones investigating swamp creatures.

This is why we need a second Special Counsel.

Alan Dershowitz On Release Of Carter Page FISA Documents - YouTube

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Was all of the "new" data redacted?

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Yes.

Aside from the added footnote that I posted a pic of where they explained why they fired Chris Steele.

So around 9 pages of complete redactions was added to two specific sections on each renewal. 27 total new redacted pages.

And it makes zero sense that they would redact new evidence of Page’s wrongdoings... 27 pages worth... and for this man to still be uncharged and walking free.

It’s abundantly clear whatever is under those redactions has nothing to do with evidence of crimes.


As I proposed earlier, it is quite possibly a list of the degrees of contact (people Page communicated with) and maybe simple descriptions of these people.


It’s also quite possible that Papadopoulos and his sting/entrapment operation involving Mifsud and Halper are all under the redactions.

Papadopoulos is mentioned early on in the application, but then never again in unredacted parts.

The FBI could very well be trying to hide all the rationale in the apps regarding him because then they are really in hot water for showing they conducted an operation on a Trump surrogate prior to July 31st when the official investigation started.

And this operation involved one or more FBI contractors feeding rumors to PapaD, then PapaD drunk spouting off those rumors to the Australian Ambo, and then the FBI using this as probable cause for part of the rationale in this FISA application to surveil PapaD and his contacts.

This would be ANOTHER clear instance of circular sourcing. The FBI supplies some rumors of criminal activity to someone, then when that someone talks about those rumors, you use this as a basis for probable cause?

That’s textbook circular sourcing.

There’s nearly 250 completely redacted pages between these applications. Don’t be surprised If Papadopoulos is what they’re trying to hide underneath.

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I suspect, and it is starting to become more clear, Obama's abuse of power is like nothing we have ever seen.

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Be it from Heaven or Hell, Nixon is likely eaten up with jealousy by what Obama's pulled off from the Oval.

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You said it was basically the same app each time. That's clearly not true, so I'm not sure why you're dragging the bottom by attacking those trying to point that out.

There's enough here to go on without having to discredit yourself with attacks like this in defense of an objectively wrong statement, regardless of the substance of the additions.

Also, none of the people you are sure committed crimes are under arrest, so I'm not a fan of the logic used for Carter being free either, unless you're prepared to accept it across the board.

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All this shite

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That means their only basis for the warrant was the discredited Steele Dossier.

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Clearly not. They also appear to have included information regarding Page’s contacts with Russian intelligence officers, Page’s prior activities in Russia, statements made by Page during an FBI interview, prior RIS recruitment efforts, etc.