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Feud between The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder goes public...
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:06 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:06 am
Crowder and Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boering had discussions several months back concerning Crowder joining The Daily Wire when his contract with TheBlaze ended in December. An initial offer was put forth and rejected by Crowder. Now Crowder is claiming that companies like The Daily Wire are shills for big tech due to the terms of the initial offer:
- The Daily Wire would pay Crowder $50 million over four years, with the option of paying him $25 million for a two-year renewal
- Crowder would retain the rights to all of the content he made BEFORE joining The Daily Wire but would not hold the rights to the content he created afterwards
- He would be allowed to bring in his own staff but would have to pay them out of pocket
- His pay would be deducted if he ended up being banned from YouTube, Spotify, Apple, or any other website where Daily Wire content is hosted.
This was an initial offer with room for negotiation between the two sides. However Crowder refused to even make a counter-offer or enter into negotiations and found the terms of the initial offer "insulting." Now he's airing this offer to the public and accusing The Daily Wire of being a shill for big tech.
As much as I like Crowder, I feel like The Daily Wire is in the right here. When your entire business relies on revenue generated from ads, and those ads aren't being played over content because that content is banned on major platforms, how would it be good practice to pay an employee who isn't generating any money for you?
And I think that's where the disconnect truly lies. Boering wanted Crowder to be an employee of The Daily Wire while Crowder wanted to be a partner.
- The Daily Wire would pay Crowder $50 million over four years, with the option of paying him $25 million for a two-year renewal
- Crowder would retain the rights to all of the content he made BEFORE joining The Daily Wire but would not hold the rights to the content he created afterwards
- He would be allowed to bring in his own staff but would have to pay them out of pocket
- His pay would be deducted if he ended up being banned from YouTube, Spotify, Apple, or any other website where Daily Wire content is hosted.
This was an initial offer with room for negotiation between the two sides. However Crowder refused to even make a counter-offer or enter into negotiations and found the terms of the initial offer "insulting." Now he's airing this offer to the public and accusing The Daily Wire of being a shill for big tech.
As much as I like Crowder, I feel like The Daily Wire is in the right here. When your entire business relies on revenue generated from ads, and those ads aren't being played over content because that content is banned on major platforms, how would it be good practice to pay an employee who isn't generating any money for you?
And I think that's where the disconnect truly lies. Boering wanted Crowder to be an employee of The Daily Wire while Crowder wanted to be a partner.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:07 am
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:51 am to RollTide1987
So The Daily Wire wanted to pay Crowder while big tech dictated what Crowder could say? What’s to say Big Tech knows the types of contracts out there like this and pulls his content off their platform just to hurt him financially? I don’t blame Crowder at all. If you’re going to pay me to do a job right, then you should back me up as long as I can prove I’m right.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:12 am to RollTide1987
He ain't worth 50 million for 4 years
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:13 am to RollTide1987
quote:So Crowder says something not libelous or injurious to his employer but goes against the policy of a third party and they ban him. The contract says that the third party gets to decide his pay if they don't like what he says???
I feel like The Daily Wire is in the right here.
This is ESG at work. Forcing anyone involved in the process to acquiesce to global ESG demands for the opportunity to have a job.
Crowder: Ivermectin works and should be studied for this...
Third Party(with no contractual ties to Crowder): Banned
Crowder's Employer: We're cutting your pay because someone else gets to decide your speech for all of us.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:19 am to RollTide1987
Crowder seems to get suspended from yt on a regular basis due to yt cracking down on wrongthink and seemingly zeroing in on him..
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His pay would be deducted if he ended up being banned from YouTube,
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:31 am to MasterDigger
Okay. Then decline the offer and move on. The Daily Wire is an online platform that relies on ad revenue and video monetization to survive. Why pay the guy $50 million to create content when his content isn’t making them money?
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 5:32 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:31 am to RollTide1987
Give me that contract, I'll sign it ! 
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:33 am to mauser
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He ain't worth 50 million for 4 years
Nobody on this planet is worth $50M for 4 years.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:48 am to mauser
How is his talent any less than a man who can run or throw a ball?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:51 am to RollTide1987
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Okay. Then decline the offer and move on. The Daily Wire is an online platform that relies on ad revenue and video monetization to survive. Why pay the guy $50 million to create content when his content isn’t making them money?
Because it needs to be called out. It needs to be confronted and exposed. Those who also make money as principled resources of information need to be called out when they do the same things they style themselves as an alternative to. This "free trade" thinking isn't playing anymore. The game board has been bought and the rules are being abused.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:54 am to RollTide1987
Crowder just needs to start his own network.
What I don't understand is how Jordan Peterson got on with DW with terms like that.
What I don't understand is how Jordan Peterson got on with DW with terms like that.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:58 am to i am dan
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Nobody on this planet is worth $50M for 4 years.
In terms of the money they generate for the business they work for? I could name a lot. Crowder, like him or not, has an enormous audience and The Daily Wire wouldn't have offered him that if they thought they would lose money in the long run.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:01 am to Nosevens
His talent? Do you people actually consume this refuse?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:03 am to AUCom96
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Because it needs to be called out. It needs to be confronted and exposed. Those who also make money as principled resources of information need to be called out when they do the same things they style themselves as an alternative to. This "free trade" thinking isn't playing anymore. The game board has been bought and the rules are being abused
How does Crowder primarily get paid today, and why would this be substantively different?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:04 am to RollTide1987
My "half Asian lawyer" has reviewed this deal and told me that it was shite.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:05 am to RollTide1987
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As much as I like Crowder, I feel like The Daily Wire is in the right here.
Honestly seems like a pretty generous offer with reasonable stipulations.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:11 am to RollTide1987
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What Crowder is discussing is the reason why Michelle Malkin dropped out of the fight. The “BigCon” Crowder notes is essentially like the Fox News of alternative media. They offer incentives to monetize the content provider (broadcaster, website, pod caster etc.) then lock the content providers into extremely controlling contracts that control the outcomes.
Ultimately, what the audience ends up seeing is an approved finished product that is acceptable to BigCon and Big Tech. In essence they are in bed together to stop bold and alternative conversation and filtrate the message to shades of soft pastels.
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Crowder is at an inflection point and obviously he is unwilling to capitulate to the guiding hands in control that no one is allowed to discuss.
Good for him. I hope he can leverage his influence to break the control mechanism, give startups an alternative, and continue the rebellion.
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With 6 million subs on YouTube and a guy that has organically earned more viewers than CNN at prime time when he live streams, that initial offer is insulting.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:16 am to Powerman
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Honestly seems like a pretty generous offer with reasonable stipulations.
If you've listened to Crowder, he would have to change ALOT to adhere to the "can't get banned on Youtube" stipulation. I just don't think he's willing to do that even for this dollar figure.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:18 am to Lou Pai
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How does Crowder primarily get paid today,
YouTube, Rumble and other streaming video ad revenue. Also members of this MugClub, merch and live appearances.
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and why would this be substantively different?
If he signed that DW contract he would restricted to only the speech that DW approves of.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:18 am to mauser
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He ain't worth 50 million for 4 years
He may not be, but his show is. Content creation and all the costs associated with it is expensive.
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