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re: Federal judge blocks Louisiana law that requires classrooms to display Ten Commandments
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:04 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:04 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
The problem is requiring
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:20 am to mark65mc
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That came from Jesus. Matthew 7:12
Not really. Tobit 4:15 basically says the same thing. Epictetus and Isocrates in Ancient Greek had a version of the golden rule. So did Confucius in China. The earliest golden rule found dates to 3000BC in India.
It might have been co-opted by “Jesus” from earlier sources, but this is in total contrast to the other version of Jesus i.e. Yahweh who smites his enemies and slaughters Egyptians and Assyrians and Canaanites and even disobedient Israelites en masse.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:25 am to Tasseo
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STFU you loon. No one reads your posts you psycho weirdo.
I see you are more akin to the Jesus of revelation whereby he reaps all the unbelievers with his giant sickle, rather than the kind “turn the other cheek” and “golden rule” Jesus of the gospels.
Sad that you can’t engage me based on the substance of my posts. Pray to baby Jesus for more gray matter I guess.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:47 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:That doesn't say anything about an entirely secular government.
Here. Bolded and underlined for you.
It speaks angainst establishing a state religion that all people must adhere to regardless of their actual religious beliefs, not whether the state can express any religious sentiment at all.
Our first representatives spoke openly of their religious beliefs and promoted days of prayer for the nation.
quote:Again, there is a difference between requiring everyone to belong to a state-run church (what the 1A was prohibiting) and government participating in religious expression. You can’t change history.
Oh sure, it’s not like any of them came here to settle in a land free of religious persecution from the likes of the Anglican Church, the Calvinists, and the Spanish Inquisition. The quakers, the pilgrims, and the puritans and so forth welcomed the state meddling in their religion. Not.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:48 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Is this the hill you want to die on, Landry?
Go fight to get federal funding for the new Baton Rouge bridge and figure out how to fund your universal school choice. Don't bother with this.
Go fight to get federal funding for the new Baton Rouge bridge and figure out how to fund your universal school choice. Don't bother with this.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:53 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I mean, this was 99.999999% predictable. They chose this fight for some inane reason.
Now, having said that, it would be nice if they let Christians hold the same rights and practices in our public schools as others.
But requiring it was both stupid and unnecessary.
I will note however, I'd love to hear if they used anything akin to "offending muslims or Jews". Because that would be ignorant as all three religions are Abrahamic and thus the 10 commandments are recognized across all 3 (the Muslim variety has been edited heavily like a republican's wiki page).
Now, having said that, it would be nice if they let Christians hold the same rights and practices in our public schools as others.
But requiring it was both stupid and unnecessary.
I will note however, I'd love to hear if they used anything akin to "offending muslims or Jews". Because that would be ignorant as all three religions are Abrahamic and thus the 10 commandments are recognized across all 3 (the Muslim variety has been edited heavily like a republican's wiki page).
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:56 am to 4cubbies
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Only after commandments and bathrooms have been legislated. You know, the important stuff.
Part of trump winning was on the bathroom stuff. Bigger pull than abortion.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:59 am to BestBanker
Exactly. The arguments have changed and society has certainly suffered regarding what was previously argued. Can you imagine living in a slightly more disciplined America?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:01 am to UncleRuckus
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Religion doesn’t belong in school
Neither does the Pledge of Allegiance. frick that commie Statist bullshite
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:26 am to Tasseo
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STFU you loon. No one reads your posts you psycho weirdo.
Sorry to destroy your narrative.
I read his posts, and he owned you, as confirmed by your over-the-top negative response.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:28 am to mark65mc
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That came from Jesus.
Matthew 7:12
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So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Or Buddhism
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The Buddhist Udanavarga states, "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful"
Or maybe it was Confucianism
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The Chinese philosopher Confucius is credited with saying, "What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others".
Or maybe it was Zoroastrianism
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The Persian philosopher Zarathustra said, "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others".
All of which predate Jesus
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 8:29 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:44 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
When I taught public school here in Baton Rouge the Ten Commandments were displayed on a half of a page in the 6th grade World geography textbook. I do not recall any students or parents complaining.
Simple solution is to have the Ten Commandments printed on the poster in Cursive handwriting. Since cursive isn't taught the students won't be able to read it.
Also I recall when visiting the US Supreme Court the Ten Commandments are chiseled into the wall where the justices preside.
Simple solution is to have the Ten Commandments printed on the poster in Cursive handwriting. Since cursive isn't taught the students won't be able to read it.
Also I recall when visiting the US Supreme Court the Ten Commandments are chiseled into the wall where the justices preside.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:52 am to BestBanker
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the state can legitimate exit signs on doors, caution warnings on cigs, yellow paint on stairs, etc., they can legitimize other words as well.
Wait you’re saying the 10 commandments are the same as these? Lol
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:54 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Are any and all religious documents also fair game to be posted? Can the government require a satanic text be posted?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:56 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
It doesn't matter to me if the Ten Commandments are in every classroom or not. The word of God should be taught in the home and kids brought to church. You as parents will be held accountable
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:11 am to magildachunks
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Or Buddhism
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Or maybe it was Confucianism
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Or maybe it was Zoroastrianism
So many religious conservatives like the one who downvoted your post behave like purple haired sky screaming democrats when you point out the problem with their logic or show them facts that hurt their feelings.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:00 am to FooManChoo
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Again, there is a difference between requiring everyone to belong to a state-run church (what the 1A was prohibiting) and government participating in religious expression. You can’t change history.
As usual you are building a straw man. The text literally states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”. It doesn’t say “church” or “state-run” or any of that nonsense. You interpret the constitution like you interpret the Bible in that you ignore what it literally says and you insert your own words, meanings, and dogma back into it.
It’s a good thing this type of thing has been litigated numerous times including at the US Supreme Court level and we have overwhelming precedence that a law forcing all classrooms to post laws contained within a religious text, especially to the exclusion of all other religions, is patently and unequivocally unconstitutional.
You would make a poor lawyer and a worse judge as the higher courts of appeals would bitch slap you and your rulings. If you were smart enough to pass the bar.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:01 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:As usual, you miss the point. Stop picking nits and focus on the argument, itself.
Squirrelmeister
The founders were concerned about a state-established church (religion, for your nitpicking, even though their context was specifically the Christian religion) hampering the religious freedoms of others who didn't adhere to the same beliefs of the state. The Protestant Reformation saw competing religious convictions being imposed upon citizens. Roman Catholic governments would persecute Protestants and vice versa. This sort of state-led religious requirement is what led many of the Pilgrims to settle in America.
So again, the 1st amendment was not about barring religion from the public space (as evidenced by the amount of religion that was included in the public space after the Constitution was written) but was about not establishing a formal state religion that all citizens were forced to adhere to, even against their own religious convictions.
As I said, there's a difference between the government telling everyone they must be Roman Catholic or Muslim (which, again, was the context the founders were working with) and the government providing recognition for religion or religious observances like prayer.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:05 pm to FooManChoo
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As I said, there's a difference between the government telling everyone they must be Roman Catholic or Muslim (which, again, was the context the founders were working with) and the government providing recognition for religion or religious observances like prayer.
So the whitehouse can have a Christmas tree, and a Menora, and a Kwanzaa cake or whatever. That’s fine. That’s treating them all equal and not establishing any of them or giving any unequal precedence.
It becomes establishing a religion - a violation of the first amendment - by passing a law to post religious rules of one religion in all classrooms. All the judges recognize that.
You don’t. Because you are retarded.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:10 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Their is no such thing as the separation of church and state
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