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re: FED student loans: why allow schools to charge out of state tuition for non residents?

Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:58 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:58 pm to
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And I suspect, schools like Vanderbilt would start soon finding a way to close that difference a good bit on their own.


Doesn’t Vanderbilt charge the same tuition rate for in-state and out-of-state residents?


Yes. I was speaking of the huge gap between what they charge and what state schools charge.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:19 pm to
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You wouldn’t even have to get that drastic. Make them responsible for paying an equivalent of PMI to the feds for their student loan demographics and population.



Another idea: Your interest rate is tied to the default rate for the school you're attending and your major.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33783 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:34 pm to
I’ve said for years that the max federal student loan should be the average public school cost of attendance for in-state tuition in that state.

Out of state tuition could not be borrowed.

Want to go to Tulane? You can borrow what it costs to go to LSU. The difference either has to be paid out of pocket or through personally guaranteed loans, or grants/scholarships etc.


Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:10 pm to
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And I suspect, schools like Vanderbilt would start soon finding a way to close that difference a good bit on their own.


Schools like Vanderbilt already do, as does Harvard and I would imagine most of the Ivy League schools. Most students don’t pay anything close to the full cost at Vandy, which I think is up to about $65k.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52878 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 10:31 pm to
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The flagship universities get a VERY LARGE amount of their capital funding via donors, not taxes.


Well that’s just not true.

Hell, the sum of what donors have given, which has been invested and gaining compound interest for decades....couldn’t run the main LSU campus for more than 2 years.

~80% of LSU’s funding comes from current student tuition and fees.

And almost 100% of what’s left comes from the state.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 10:33 pm
Posted by PrideofTheSEC
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
5221 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:32 am to
The interest on student loans are insane. My average percentage is 6.5%. Imo no reason it should be more than 2.5%.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
91896 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:34 am to
LSU made a mint and a half off my Texas butt that’s for sure. My tuition was roughly double what a LA resident was smh
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9490 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:55 am to


a lot of the schools budget is funded by taxpayers of the state schools located in. that cost needs to be equally accounted for in out of state tuition
Posted by Whens lunch
San Antonio
Member since Oct 2012
562 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 4:33 am to
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Any loan used for a university education must be co-signed by that university.


I don't understand this thought process. Somebody give me a few clues, please.

Universities are selling an education. If you can't afford it, don't go to college. If you decide to borrow money, you are responsible for your debt. Why should the University co-sign? They aren't responsible for your failure to pay your debts.

Do builders co-sign mortgages? Do auto dealerships co-sign car notes? Why should Universities co-sign a students loans? Hell, an education can't be repossessed.

Is it just because Tucker Carlson thinks it's fair?
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 4:38 am
Posted by jmitc22
Brrrrr
Member since Jan 2007
1714 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 4:58 am to
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We have an entire generation which chose to be trapped in student loan debt while carrying $700 iPhones, owning large flat screen TVs, and generally failing to budget responsibly


FIFY

The system is definitely broken and costs are out of control, but let’s not pretend like the borrowers are totally innocent here.
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11521 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:04 am to
Out of state tuition is not better than the miscellaneous fees charges by airlines and rental car facilities. You don’t always know what you are paying for and why you are being forced to pay it. It’s funny money to a large extent and having it as part of the loan program is just a $ filler making loan repayment a greater burden.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3651 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:06 am to
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Universities are selling an education. If you can't afford it, don't go to college. If you decide to borrow money, you are responsible for your debt. Why should the University co-sign? They aren't responsible for your failure to pay your debts.

Do builders co-sign mortgages? Do auto dealerships co-sign car notes? Why should Universities co-sign a students loans? Hell, an education can't be repossessed



Valid point but I do think universities have some responsibility in the process. I think to some degree they have exploited many teenagers.

The FED loans should be based on your degree and potential earnings based on the current market.

Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25706 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:12 am to
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And almost 100% of what’s left comes from the state.


How much federal money does the state of Louisiana get and if they didn’t get it would they be able to give other money to state universities?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135078 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:14 am to
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FED student loans: why allow schools to charge out of state tuition for non residents?
Because their funding is predominately state sourced. Some states input far more than others.
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
3626 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:24 am to
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I’ve said for years that the max federal student loan should be the average public school cost of attendance for in-state tuition in that state.

Out of state tuition could not be borrowed.

Want to go to Tulane? You can borrow what it costs to go to LSU. The difference either has to be paid out of pocket or through personally guaranteed loans, or grants/scholarships etc.

Definitely agree with this, seems like almost everyone would agree on it too.

Only other thing I’d do is allow people to pay off student loans with Pre Tax money. This would save them a lot and also incentivize them to pay every pay check. If they’re too dumb not to take advantage of this then that loan is never getting paid back.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15547 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:25 am to
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I’m largely unsympathetic. I see my kids’ friends making just idiotic decisions (skipping a $20k/yr scholarship at Tulsa because “the campus is gross” and going to Baylor with almost no scholarship, going to Miami with a $10k scholarship when Northwestern offered a $25k scholarship and in-state schools were offering full-rides). I DGAF what happens to those kids’. But I’m getting old and crotchety.


This all day long.

These kids are a product of the "It's someone else's fault" generation.

However I have to care about it because they, and the ignorant politicians that think the way to solve the problem is to "Poof" wave the magic wand and all the student debt is erased are going to wreck the economy, just like they wrecked it in the 90's with the "everyone deserves a house" so if you're not giving out home loans you'll get fired BS.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
10364 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 7:06 am to
It seems like it would be to lure top academic talent in state

But when I went to grad school out of state, they waived out of state tuition for me
Posted by Texas Yarddog
Member since Apr 2018
2992 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 7:19 am to
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If the government stopped idiotically backing student loans it would fix itself.


All of this. I regret that I have only one upvote to give.

I would also add that the Feds shouldn't be backing any private loans at all. When there is a fed backed safety net for private money loans, banks tend to loosen restrictions because of it. Make the banks responsible for losses due to delinquent borrowers and private loan bubbles (college/mortgages) go away for the most part.
Posted by 4QNDS
Cypress Texas
Member since Oct 2019
158 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:15 am to
Make all interest on student loans deduductable. For the uninformed; deductible doesn't mean it reduces your tax liability, it only means you don't pay taxes on the income that equals the interest. Currently once you make 100K (could be even less not sure) you cannot deduct the interest from your income. That sucks for kids that are just now making a decent living and paying high payments on loans and then get this slap in the face. Good God, let them have some grace while paying the damn thing off!!!
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
124713 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:35 am to
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Do builders co-sign mortgages? Do auto dealerships co-sign car notes?


These are tangible goods. If a house isn’t worth the loan applied for, the loan doesn’t happen.

A degree in Art History is “worth” far less than a degree in Engineering. But they’re viewed the same in the loan process. One of those is going to be a lot harder to repay.
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