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re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality

Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:41 pm to
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So you prefer a market with no competition? frick, no wonder you suppose this law




No we want a real free market that all ISPs can enter into

ISPs have always had local monopolies.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:42 pm to
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by Centinel
Huntsville is doing something similar with the dark fiber from the local utility company Huntsville Utilities, but partnering with Google to run from Huntsville Utilities' lines to the home.

Comcast is NOT happy


Well this just can't be. I have it on good authority that Comcast has impossible barriers to competition and they can behave in any manner they want without worrying about them.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:42 pm to
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No we want a real free market that all ISPs can enter into

ISPs have always had local monopolies.


Most Americans have access to more than one carrier
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:43 pm to
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I have it on good authority that Comcast has impossible barriers to competition


You wouldn't be referencing StraightCuckHomo would you?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:44 pm to
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I have it on good authority that Comcast has impossible barriers to competition


what idiot said that??
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45911 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Well this just can't be. I have it on good authority that Comcast has impossible barriers to competition and they can behave in any manner they want without worrying about them.


Well to be fair it's Huntsville. If the local city government tried any protectionist crap when it came to internet access there'd be a riot from one of the largest concentration of ubergeeks in the country.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:45 pm to
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So, before NN you didn't have that???




This has been explained to you and many others. So I suspect like my last response you will ignore it and keep repeating the same talking points.

Natural monopoly and consolidation exploitation started to rear its ugly head in the 2010's. When ISP's began to recognize and begin to exercise the extortionary power of their natural monopoly arrangement, near market exclusivity in many regions, and gatekeeper status to further buffer profits at the expense of consumers and internet dependent businesses. I.E. Rent-Seeking. Like Verizon throttling Netflix, Comcast extorting companies to not throttle their traffic, and the laundry list of things a poster laid out a few pages ago. This was in addition to other measures that are still in play today because of these forces like data caps. They have spent millions since NN to re-acquire the ability to turn off their default network settings and throttle and create fast lanes for monetary purposes and rent-seeking.

The argument you present is a false choice. The choice is not between what we have today and what we had in 2006 or even 2014 in terms of ISP behavior and market make-up or consumer reliance, it is between the current arrangement and going back to the period where that extortionary creep was accelerating, except under current consumer needs. Thus raising the stakes.

If you think the best course of action is to give those trustworthy ISP's the ability to start back with their creeping behavior and hope for the best, feel free to make the case. But please, drop this lazy begging the question nonsense because you are either too scared or unable to make a more fleshed out argument.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Most Americans have access to more than one carrier

I have access to two high speed carriers as well as all of the wireless carriers. It's actually a fair bet that in some months the bulk of my data usage is Wireless.

And as was pointed out a minute ago Huntsville is getting another provider soon. Then I will have three high speed providers plus all of the wireless. And that will all be before the year 2020

Yet even knowing that I would bet my house that in 2030 I will look back on 2020 and laugh
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:47 pm to
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It's actually a fair bet that in some months the bulk of my data usage is Wireless.


Same here. In fact my mobile is better than my wireless much of the time.

We've got three carriers for broadband here. New local just jumped in
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:48 pm to
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Yet even knowing that I would bet my house that in 2030 I will look back on 2020 and laugh


Yep, gonna be exciting
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30276 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:49 pm to
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Like Verizon throttling Netflix


Netflix throttled Netflix.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:51 pm to
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Yep, gonna be exciting
unfortunately you know what else I know will happen in 2030? Some 20 year old will be pissed that they want to charge him extra for the newest shite.

And when that happens I'll probably be using 2017 in hindsight as an example.

And he'll tell me but this time is different! You are just too old and don't know!
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134808 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:53 pm to
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You really have no idea what you are talking about

I know exactly what I'm talking about.
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The days of people buying bulk tv cable is shrinking.

Are you trying to say the market is working just like it always has? Well, I'll be damned.....

And now companies are adapting to the new market conditions, just like THEY always have.

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People like you will keep propping up the tv providers.
I watch maybe 30 hours of TV a month. And 25 hours of it is watching live sports events. I'm not exactly addicted to TV.....like you appear to be. Maybe you should read a book now and then.....
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:55 pm to
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Netflix throttled Netflix.




In some instances, yes, earlier on in Netflix's life cycle before their business model shifted. The reverse also absolutely happened.

LINK

Heck, Verizon even tried to throttle Youtube and Netflix again recently. Thanks to NN they will pay a price and be forced to stop, but sure, lets trust Pai that they aren't really interested in exploiting this ability. they just really, really want it back for altruistic consumer purposes.

LINK
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:56 pm to
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And he'll tell me but this time is different! You are just too old and don't know!


no doubt.

I think it would have been funny for the FCC to have banned porn under the regulations while the existed

Regulation is a heavy, broad blade sword. It can make you feel like your interests are protected while slicing your hands off at the same time.

Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31525 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:00 pm to
So what benefit are we going to see from rolling back net neutrality?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41021 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:00 pm to
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Thanks to NN they will pay a price and be forced to stop


So, in your 2014 example, they weren't forced to stop?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:00 pm to
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Heck, Verizon even tried to throttle Youtube and Netflix again recently.
if you want to use my product to reach your customers then I probably should get a say and how that goes down. If you think I don't get to say then you probably won't like how I handle it.

Welcome to business
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
35357 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:01 pm to
It amazes me how few people understand the underlying technology behind all of this, but are damned certain they're going to scream as loud as they can about it.

Like going into a hospital trying to tell surgeons how to do their jobs because you watched Grey's Anatomy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:04 pm to
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So what benefit are we going to see from rolling back net neutrality?


Not have it regulated by 1935 legislation

What did you do before? You know since NN hasonly been law since 2015
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 3:06 pm
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