re: Fauci, January warning on 2020 Flu season - "This is going to be a bad season" - Ah, Nope

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First, the number you are looking at (5,886) is clearly only counting flu deaths from Feb 1 - Today. Obviously, this excludes the meat of flu season. And equally clear is the data is nowhere near complete for the last few weeks. The reasonably complete data ends April 11, so the flu death count from Feb 1 - April 11 is 5,533. For comparison, the 2017-2018 flu season deaths over the same range was 7,506.

This year's flu was roughly 75% as bad as the really bad 2017-2018 season, at least over the specified date range.

You are trying to compare a death cert count of only half of this year's season to the estimated "excess death" count from the 2017-18 season, which if you didn't know is estimated at 60k deaths as compared to the 15k actually counted on death certs for the full year. You are either a world class idiot or a world class liar. Which is it?

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Another load of bullcrap from you.

Fauci said the 2019-20 flu season would be about as bad as
2017-18 - and it has NOT been.

And your diatribes look like Sophomoric term papers.

Fauci is full of shite and so are you.

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Fauci said the 2019-20 flu season would be about as bad as
2017-18 - and it has NOT been.

And your diatribes look like Sophomoric term papers.

Fauci is full of shite and so are you.

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So to confirm, you're not going to acknowledge that you said it was 10% of the '17-18 season because you didn't realize the 5886 number was from February on and not the entire flu season?

Before we continue, I just want to know if you're going to speak to that part of your OP or ignore it.

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At the very least they contain the data from the "week ending 2/1/2020" -see the chart linked.

I will supply more info shortly.

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So to confirm again, when you made the OP stating "10% of the 17-18 deaths" you are now stating that is incorrect, right?


If so, you should consider editing your OP to get your info straight.

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So to confirm again, when you made the OP stating "10% of the 17-18 deaths" you are now stating that is incorrect, right?

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I have edited it to the following:
Yet, 2020 flu deaths recorded by the CDC are considerably less the 2017-18 number - only 5,886 flu deaths from the last week in January thru May 3

All of our flu deaths are called Covid deaths this year bro

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I have edited it to the following:
Yet, 2020 flu deaths recorded by the CDC are considerably less the 2017-18 number - only 5,886 flu deaths from the last week in January thru May 3

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Thanks

How many flu deaths did we have in 2018 from the last week of January through May 3rd?

If we don't know that data, I'm not sure the relevance of any of it.

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Oh really?

Oh wise man, prove me wrong!

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Typical behavior from a liar. Makes outlandish claim with no data to back it up, gets called out, then turns the table and requires data to disprove his lack of data.

Anyway, here is data on pneumonia deaths. Not only are pneumonia deaths not down, they are WAY up. Pneumonia deaths per week are twice as high as normal, and 50% higher than the absolute highest weekly rate of pneumonia deaths going back at least a decade.

Heart disease, cancer, and diabetes deaths are simply not monitored as intently as the seasonal causes, so that data won't be available for a while. However, from the same link above, you can see total deaths per week. Keep in mind that the most recent data is lower than it will end up being due to reporting lag. You can see that 2020 week 15 (2 weeks ago) shows 65,500 total deaths. If you look back at the 2017-18 flu season, peak weekly deaths reached 67,500. Remember, though, that data is complete. If you click here you can see the data for that week 2 weeks removed from it (like we are now with 2020 week 15. As you can see, at this point the death count for that week was only 55,200. In other words, total deaths are on track to be about 10,000 more per week than there were during the worst flu season of at least the past decade. That number will continue to shape up over the coming weeks, so we will have a more accurate count at that time.

Also, CDC's excess deaths page is projecting these weekly totals to be even higher than I have just based on a typically historical increase.

As you can hopefully see by now, total deaths over the past month far exceed what is typical, and the excess is roughly equivalent to the covid death counts that are being reported.


Deaths due to pneumonia, heart disease, cancer and diabetes are most definitely not "down".

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How many flu deaths did we have in 2018 from the last week of January through May 3rd?

If we don't know that data, I'm not sure the relevance of any of it.

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CDC: 80,000 People Died From Flu Last Season
The 2017-2018 flu season was the deadliest in at least 40 years.

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AN ESTIMATED 80,000 people died of the flu and complications arising from the virus last winter, making it the deadliest flu season in at least 40 years.

Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced the number in an interview with the Associated Press. In recent flu seasons, deaths from the virus have ranged from about 12,000 to 56,000. Complications that can arise from the flu and result in death include stroke, heart attack and pneumonia.

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LINK


The CDC later reduced that stat to about 60,000. But CDC Redfield paraded that 80,000 number to the AP and to any MSM venue who would listen.

Bottom line: About 60,000 is the latest revision

Based on models again presumably. Sorry Doc we ain’t doing this again. Move to China.

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Between January and May 3rd?

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The majority of deaths in the 2017-18 flu season occurred between January and May of 2018. The flu season of 2017-18 is the highest spike on the graph, and in dark red.

And the graph depicts the date of a clinic visit for a flu-like illness - not the date of a death.