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Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:37 pm to Taurus
I’m not real sure if I would pledge allegiance to the flag anymore. It has nothing to do with God whom I have complete faith in. It has to do with the fact this country has changed so much for the worse.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:37 pm to Azkiger
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They worship the Trinity?
Did I say Trinity? Nope just God.
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No, we do not.
Any cursory reading of our Holy books demonstrates that God of the Old and New Testaments is NOT allah as described in Muslim scripture.
Yes we do, might be described different but is same God, heck the OT & NT describe a different God.
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I would argue most Islamists worship their prophet Muhammad more so than God based on their actual actions.
Wont argue with that.
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It is often assumed that the God of Islam is a fierce war-like deity, in contrast to the God of Christianity and Judaism, who is one of love and mercy. And yet, despite the manifest differences in how they practise their religions, Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God.
The founder of Islam, Muhammad, saw himself as the last in a line of prophets that reached back through Jesus to Moses, beyond him to Abraham and as far back as Noah
Same God but some people wont believe it.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:25 pm to troyt37
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No, what's getting you is two little words in the pledge.
It's not the size, or number, of words, it's the idea behind them. It doesn't matter if you're using two words, or two hundred words, this is not a Christian nation.
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Two little words, which you have applied a standard only found in a letter by Thomas Jefferson, to declare are offensive to your own personal sensibilities.
The idea behind the separation of church and state didn't come to being to protect people from behind offended. Why can't you have an honest conversation without trying to tell me what I think or how I feel?
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Two little words that does absolutely nothing to establish a state religion, nor prohibits its free exercise.
That 'under God' sentiment could lead to laws or policies which would. Why flirt with that sentiment? If you want too at church, cool. But it doesn't belong in our official pledge.
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Meanwile, we are told to accept and tolerate shitting, shooting up, and people fricking in public. We should be inclusive to men and boys sharing a bathroom and showers with our girls. We should understand the need of transsexual people and sexual deviants of all kinds to groom our kindergarteners into at the very least acceptance of their depravity.
You are told all of that, but not by me. Do you need someone to vent too? Is that why you're telling me this?
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I can go on, but you stopped listening long ago, if you ever did.
Oh, I'm sure you could go on and on mentioning more shite that has nothing to do with the objection I've made. But why would you want too?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:27 pm to AubieinNC2009
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Did I say Trinity? Nope just God.
Aren't they one in the same?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:29 pm to Yaz 8
Won’t be popular on here Yaz but I feel the same way. I stand up and put my hand over my chest for the pledge but my heart ain’t in. Anthem either.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:29 pm to Azkiger
quote:I would not have thought you supported the govt position on abortion.
Now apply that logic to the federal government's stance on abortion.
Wrong is wrong, hiding behind precedence doesn't make it right.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:31 pm to Azkiger
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I can go on, but you stopped listening long ago.quote:
Oh, I'm sure you could go on and on mentioning more shite that has nothing to do with the objection I've made. But why would you want to do that?
quote:Try to remember this exchange the next time you think about giving an upvote to Troy for doing exactly the same thing to others.
Two little words ... offensive to your own personal sensibilities.quote:
Why can't you have an honest conversation without trying to tell me what I think or how I feel?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:33 pm to tigerfoot
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I would not have thought you supported the govt position on abortion.
I support the Supreme Court's decision in so far as they declared that there's no right to abortion in the Constitution. I could be talked into going further, and seeing the Constitution's recognizing our right to life as grounds to outlaw abortion under the same reasoning as we outlaw murder.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:33 pm to Taurus
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“I’m just not sure that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is a useful way to begin every one of our board meetings,” she said.
She isn't wrong.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:34 pm to troyt37
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Right. Because it's not like having to know which gender a 6 year old has decided to be that day, so you know which pronouns to use for them is being shoved down our throats or anything, huh? I can start you a list if you'd like. Do you really want to go there?
Makes an argument, doesn’t like having that argument turned on them, so jumps into a massive non sequitur masquerading as a tu quoque. Fun times
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:35 pm to AggieHank86
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Try to remember this exchange the next time you think about giving an upvote to Troy for doing exactly the same thing to others.
My up/down votes are given without consideration of what that poster has said in the past.
Believe it or not, I have upvoted some of your posts as well. Even an extreme contrarian is right every now and then
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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She isn't wrong.
Considering the board does represent a wide range of American citizens, I don't see any issue with them pledging to uphold liberty and justice for all.
I do see an issue bringing religion into the mix, though.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:42 pm to Azkiger
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Considering the board does represent a wide range of American citizens, I don't see any issue with them pledging to uphold liberty and justice for all.
I don't see any issue with them not doing it, either.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:46 pm to Taurus
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“Rather than starting our meeting on opposing sides of an issue, I’d rather us start by saying something unifying,” Newman said.
so stating in advance "I want to cancel the pledge" before the next meeting, Newman feels this is unifying?
Okay, I vote to cancel all meetings...until this person is removed
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:46 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't see any issue with them not doing it, either.
No matter the reason why?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:47 pm to Azkiger
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No matter the reason why?
Contained to the context of what I quoted.
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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Is there any doubt that the words above are entirely useless for Biden to have recited?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:49 pm to Taurus
Is this the thread where all the people who posted about no longer flying the American flag get angry that kids aren't pledging allegiance to that same flag on a daily basis?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:50 pm to TideCPA
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Is this the thread where all the people who posted about no longer flying the American flag get angry that kids aren't pledging allegiance to that same flag on a daily basis?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:51 pm to Azkiger
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this is not a Christian nation.
But it is. Whether you can admit it or not.
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The idea behind the separation of church and state didn't come to being to protect people from behind offended. Why can't you have an honest conversation without trying to tell me what I think or how I feel?
I'm sorry, but if you think or feel that those two words, or the pledge itself shouldn't be said because of them because it violates some arbitrary idea in your head about what the separation of church and state means, then it is kind of hard to avoid stepping on your feels. The idea of the separation of church and state extends to constitutional bounds. The addition of "under God" in the pledge certainly does no more to establish a state religion, or prohibit the exercise of religion, than the "In God We Trust" that is found on damn near all our currency. There is no way to quantify the separation of church and state. It is subjective to each individual, which is probably why you don't find the phrase anywhere in our founding documents.
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You are told all of that, but not by me. Do you need someone to vent too? Is that why you're telling me this?
No, I'm telling you this to illustrate just how fubar thye concept of tolerance and inclusivity is these days. You shouldn't have to be subjected to the words "under God" in our Pledge of Allegiance, but our girls have no right to not be subjected to a big hairy dick in their locker room. Tolerance should make you at least as uncomfortable as those girls, no?
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