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re: Fargo, North Dakota School Board Cancels Pledge of Allegiance
Posted on 8/11/22 at 8:50 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 8/11/22 at 8:50 am to AggieHank86
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Half (at least) of the Christians on this site will disagree and assert that Allah is a pagan moon god.
100% of knowledgeable Christians would disagree.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 8:56 am to Taurus
So, who is more offended? Those on the left taking offense to the inclusion of God and ceasing the practice or those objecting to the folks that are offended and implementing a change.
All I know is that anyone from the left seems to change that which offends them, especially things in this country rooted in the constitution or having to do with our history. While those on the right must simply accept the leftist change or be negatively labeled.
All I know is that anyone from the left seems to change that which offends them, especially things in this country rooted in the constitution or having to do with our history. While those on the right must simply accept the leftist change or be negatively labeled.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:02 am to troyt37
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Are we living in the 1960's? No? How about we deal with today's bull shite then? We have been reciting the pledge with "under God" for generations. people like you want it changed or abolished from the public sphere
Wrong is wrong, regardless of precedent. What was your take on the recent Roe v Wade Supreme Court walk back? What about all those generations of women though?!?!
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Funny how your comrades are the very ones who think public schools should provide a place and time for muslims to pray at school.
I wasn't aware that I supported any of that.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:03 am to Taurus
Completely ok with this.
Anyone who is comfortable with their kids pledging allegiance to the state needs their head examined
Anyone who is comfortable with their kids pledging allegiance to the state needs their head examined
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:07 am to Flats
quote:This is correct.
100% of knowledgeable Christians would disagree.
Most Christians are NOT very knowledgeable about comparative religion.
Hell, most of them confuse concepts from Dante with the Bible.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:08 am to Taurus
I don’t recite the US Pledge of Allegiance either – tho not because of the “under God language” – but because of two other reasons.
(a) We are not indivisible. The US Constitution (Article 1, Section 10) lists the things states aren’t permitted to do. Separating from the US isn’t one of those so-called forbidden actions. The lack of accuracy in the language, “one nation … indivisible” stifles legitimate debate/discussion on the relationship of the States within the Union, and serves to conceal the damage done by the federal government to the rights of the States and the people.
(b) Dual identities.
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.“
vs.
“Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.”
It’s not possible to hold dual allegiances to individual political bodies; and again, the indivisible thing is a myth.
Sidenote: Ironically an avowed socialist—Francis Bellamy—penned the words to the US Pledge of Allegiance, partly as a marketing scheme.
Much of Bellamy’s activism was in response to a dramatic increase in U.S. immigration that took place during his lifetime. Rather than joining a rising tide of nativism, Bellamy and other socialists believed a “well-organized and patriotic public education system” would inculcate newcomers with American ideals and values.
Bellamy later admitted writing the pledge with an eye toward the ritual entailed in reciting it rather than an understanding of its meaning.
Look it up.
(a) We are not indivisible. The US Constitution (Article 1, Section 10) lists the things states aren’t permitted to do. Separating from the US isn’t one of those so-called forbidden actions. The lack of accuracy in the language, “one nation … indivisible” stifles legitimate debate/discussion on the relationship of the States within the Union, and serves to conceal the damage done by the federal government to the rights of the States and the people.
(b) Dual identities.
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.“
vs.
“Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.”
It’s not possible to hold dual allegiances to individual political bodies; and again, the indivisible thing is a myth.
Sidenote: Ironically an avowed socialist—Francis Bellamy—penned the words to the US Pledge of Allegiance, partly as a marketing scheme.
Much of Bellamy’s activism was in response to a dramatic increase in U.S. immigration that took place during his lifetime. Rather than joining a rising tide of nativism, Bellamy and other socialists believed a “well-organized and patriotic public education system” would inculcate newcomers with American ideals and values.
Bellamy later admitted writing the pledge with an eye toward the ritual entailed in reciting it rather than an understanding of its meaning.
Look it up.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:10 am to EKG
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I don’t recite the US Pledge of Allegiance either
Why do you hate America just like Brittany Griner?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:10 am to Taurus
The work that began in the fifties is almost complete.
We're not talking about the Northeast, we're talking about North Dakota
Wish McCarthy would have taken them all out when he had the chance
We're not talking about the Northeast, we're talking about North Dakota
Wish McCarthy would have taken them all out when he had the chance
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:11 am to EKG
EKG, as usual, nails it.
A true Texan is an American only because Texas remains part of the United States (for now).
Move-ins may feel differently, but screw them.
This doe snot mean that Texas cannot learn from the US. I would love to see Texas adopt a Constitution that is both more-concise and harder-to-amend ... like the US Constitution.
A true Texan is an American only because Texas remains part of the United States (for now).
Move-ins may feel differently, but screw them.
This doe snot mean that Texas cannot learn from the US. I would love to see Texas adopt a Constitution that is both more-concise and harder-to-amend ... like the US Constitution.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 9:13 am
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:14 am to AggieHank86
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A true Texan
Do true Texans harbor illegals across their property?
I bet not and bet EKG is against that
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:15 am to SDVTiger
quote:A true Texan has closer cultural ties to northern Mexico than to Maine.
SDVTiger
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:16 am to Taurus
These motherfrickers need to be run out of the country, I'm soooo sick of these frickers
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:18 am to Azkiger
quote:But it doesnt. It is a pledge of allegiance to America. The same America that provides the highways he drives on, the military that keeps him safe, the immigration folks that processed his paperwork and supports the farmers that feed his arse.
You'd want to cancel it if it said under Allah.
So how about, you just stand up, put your hand over your heart and say a little thanks.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:19 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Why do you hate America just like Brittany Griner?
I don’t hate America.
And when the US Pledge of Allegiance is recited, I stand quietly and respectfully; I just don’t choose to place my hand over my heart and vow a pledge of allegiance to the flag described.
For the record: My family who live in Europe don’t recite the PoA either; they’re big US fans.
It’s not a hatred issue.
The idea that America is one people and one nation is increasingly harder to sell (e.g., politics, values, policies, principles). When Travis wrote his famous letter from the Alamo, he called for “in the name of liberty, of patriotism, & everything dear to the American character…. “ If he wrote that same letter today it’s not entirely clear what he would get when appealing to the American character.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:21 am to EKG
I actually agree with you. I'm just messing with you re. the Brittany Griner takes on this board.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:21 am to SDVTiger
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Do true Texans harbor illegals across their property?
Absolutely not.
On the contrary, harboring illegals is a grave threat to both Texans and to the illegals.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:22 am to Azkiger
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You'd want to cancel it if it said under Allah.
I wouldn't live in a country where it said "under Allah"
You can talk about the relative recency of pledge adoption and "under God" verbiage, but it was probably well in place by the time anyone offended by this got here.
So don't avail yourself of something that already exists and then try and dismantle it because you don't like it.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:22 am to Mickey Goldmill
I know.
It’s all good.
It’s all good.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:23 am to AggieHank86
EKG are ya'll takin my boy Hank when you depart?
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:23 am to Azkiger
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Wrong is wrong, regardless of precedent.
So "tolerance" and "inclusivity" dictates that it is necessary to exclude the mere mention of God in the pledge or do away with the pledge altogether. Am I understanding you correctly?
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What was your take on the recent Roe v Wade Supreme Court walk back?
Abortion is murder, so.
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What about all those generations of women though?!?!
You'll have to re-state this question in English.
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I wasn't aware that I supported any of that.
You don't have to. All you have to do is not oppose it, because it is happening in public schools all over.
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