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Experienced Overt Racism\Bigotry Recently (a little long)
Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:55 pm
I am 59 y/o, life-time resident of medium to small cities in either Alabama or Georgia (with a relatively strong Southern accent. In June, I went to a seminar in Minneapolis. On the last day of my seminar, I plan to walk from the seminar to a restaurant then to my hotel to pick up my bag and take Uber to the airport.
The restaurant was a cool looking place I had walked by multiple times with grass bowling on the roof - Brit's Pub
Brit's Pub website
I go in and they ask me if I want inside or outside. I say "outside," and they tell me up the stairs and out the door and that it is open seating.
I walk out the door and noticed four high-top tables to my left that were in the shade and would allow me to watch people bowl. The two tables on the outside have two people at each and a well-dressed black guy about my age was standing between the two other tables. I looked off to my right and then back to my left, and the black guy was walking off.
So, I walked over between the two tables and not seeing that the guy had left anything at either of the tables, put my computer bag in a chair and was about to sit down. The guy started walking back to the tables.
I picked up my bag and said..."sorry, were you about to sit at one of these tables?" He replied with, "Yes, but I know how you people are about taking other people's stuff."
To be honest, I was a tad stunned. My only reply was "like taking what?" - giving him the opportunity to explain himself (sort of expecting something racial). He said, "like taking land from the Indians."
Before I could reply, he then spun around and as he was walking off said "you take one, and I will take the other."
The only reply I could come up with a that point was to pretty loudly say (ensureing he heard it) "no thanks, I don't want to sit that close to you."
As I was picking up my bag, the one male/female couple sitting there were continuing to talk and clearly did not hear a thing. As I turned in the other direction to get through the chairs, the two ladies clearly did...sitting their eyes wide open and mouths open. I don't know if they heard what the other guy said or just heard a Southern voice say he was not going to sit next to a black guy (likely only one in the place). I just walked on and grabbed me another seat and had a good meal...although steaming.
Either way, I have thought about this a good bit since then, regarding how I should have handled it differently and amazed that it took me almost 60 years to experience or see overt racism/bigotry although I grew up in the deep South and started my education in segregated schools. Also, in hindsight, I should have just laughed in the idiot's face, because, if his goal was to get under my skin, I allowed him to win.
On the bright side, when I was waiting on my flight out of MSP, I recognized Suni Lee (the Olympic champion gymnast who attended Auburn) walking by herself and talked to her...getting a War Eagle without bringing attention to who she was (in her hometown).
Sorry for the length of the story...just thought I would share AND recommend the restaurant. Shepherd's pie was excellent.
The restaurant was a cool looking place I had walked by multiple times with grass bowling on the roof - Brit's Pub
Brit's Pub website
I go in and they ask me if I want inside or outside. I say "outside," and they tell me up the stairs and out the door and that it is open seating.
I walk out the door and noticed four high-top tables to my left that were in the shade and would allow me to watch people bowl. The two tables on the outside have two people at each and a well-dressed black guy about my age was standing between the two other tables. I looked off to my right and then back to my left, and the black guy was walking off.
So, I walked over between the two tables and not seeing that the guy had left anything at either of the tables, put my computer bag in a chair and was about to sit down. The guy started walking back to the tables.
I picked up my bag and said..."sorry, were you about to sit at one of these tables?" He replied with, "Yes, but I know how you people are about taking other people's stuff."
To be honest, I was a tad stunned. My only reply was "like taking what?" - giving him the opportunity to explain himself (sort of expecting something racial). He said, "like taking land from the Indians."
Before I could reply, he then spun around and as he was walking off said "you take one, and I will take the other."
The only reply I could come up with a that point was to pretty loudly say (ensureing he heard it) "no thanks, I don't want to sit that close to you."
As I was picking up my bag, the one male/female couple sitting there were continuing to talk and clearly did not hear a thing. As I turned in the other direction to get through the chairs, the two ladies clearly did...sitting their eyes wide open and mouths open. I don't know if they heard what the other guy said or just heard a Southern voice say he was not going to sit next to a black guy (likely only one in the place). I just walked on and grabbed me another seat and had a good meal...although steaming.
Either way, I have thought about this a good bit since then, regarding how I should have handled it differently and amazed that it took me almost 60 years to experience or see overt racism/bigotry although I grew up in the deep South and started my education in segregated schools. Also, in hindsight, I should have just laughed in the idiot's face, because, if his goal was to get under my skin, I allowed him to win.
On the bright side, when I was waiting on my flight out of MSP, I recognized Suni Lee (the Olympic champion gymnast who attended Auburn) walking by herself and talked to her...getting a War Eagle without bringing attention to who she was (in her hometown).
Sorry for the length of the story...just thought I would share AND recommend the restaurant. Shepherd's pie was excellent.
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:59 pm to AUauditor
I know it's impossible to avoid, but remember, if he gets an emotional rise out of you he wins. The subject matter is insanity, as you know.
Let him take up NO more of your brain space. He is truly beneath you.
Boo-hoo. Your people were not organized and they lost, and neither of us have anything to do with it. Get the fk over it. If it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else that would have been far worse to them.
Let him take up NO more of your brain space. He is truly beneath you.
Boo-hoo. Your people were not organized and they lost, and neither of us have anything to do with it. Get the fk over it. If it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else that would have been far worse to them.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:02 pm to AUauditor
quote:This is the root of your problem.
went to a seminar in Minneapolis
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:03 pm to m2pro
I would've just laughed at him.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:18 pm to AUauditor
I’ve been called every white racial slur in the book on the light rail and light rail platforms downtown when I lived in Minneapolis. I’ve also seen many other huwhite people called the same. It was more common than one would think.
A silver lining was watching the white guilt liberal women nervously fidget and look around for help when it would happen to them or to someone close by.
A silver lining was watching the white guilt liberal women nervously fidget and look around for help when it would happen to them or to someone close by.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:29 pm to AUauditor
Should've said, "to the winner goes the spoils"
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:02 pm to AUauditor
quote:
"Yes, but I know how you people are about taking other people's stuff."
That's not something one normally gets randomly hit with.
Possible good response:
-"You mean like looting?"
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:09 pm to Bard
Or just say:
You know you are right. I forgot who I was for a minute. This table is mine. You can find somewhere else to sit.
You know you are right. I forgot who I was for a minute. This table is mine. You can find somewhere else to sit.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:22 pm to AUauditor
I live in a mixed race neighborhood.
I just got a new phone and it has a great camera, so when I was walking the other day I paused here and there looking for a photo near a beautiful park in the neighborhood. WELL, I was in one place for a bit. This black elderly woman walked to her door, stood on the porch of her ~$750k house and stared at me as though I needed to be watched. I went ahead and snapped a photo off and proceeded to keep walking.
She thought I must have been up to trouble and should be watched - an absurdity.
Anyway I hope her husband was seeing what all was going on because I am quite certain that he would tell her that I am one of his top 5 or so friends in the neighborhood, maybe the best friend in the neighborhood. As he walks his dogs, we often chat for 10 tp 15 minutes or so - even though he is up in years and usually tells me the same stories over and over.
The lies that have been created by these commie nutcases for the past few decades or so have made many blacks racist, pure racist.
These things also belie their abilities and their intent to "take over" some day. Many have severe complexes about all of these things and the harm caused by LBJ and all of todays commie nutcases along with the evil they have created. Destruction of the nuclear black family, the destruction of many more familied. The lies about violence and who is responsible for perpetrating it. The lies about who COULD even "take over", itself a preposterous demonic fantasy that has been planted in too many heads.
Sad. Disgusting and evil. Hear me, commie nutcases? You are FAR from superior by any measure. I continue to live in truth.
You see this gruesome development almost anywhere. It needs to be gone.
I just got a new phone and it has a great camera, so when I was walking the other day I paused here and there looking for a photo near a beautiful park in the neighborhood. WELL, I was in one place for a bit. This black elderly woman walked to her door, stood on the porch of her ~$750k house and stared at me as though I needed to be watched. I went ahead and snapped a photo off and proceeded to keep walking.
She thought I must have been up to trouble and should be watched - an absurdity.
Anyway I hope her husband was seeing what all was going on because I am quite certain that he would tell her that I am one of his top 5 or so friends in the neighborhood, maybe the best friend in the neighborhood. As he walks his dogs, we often chat for 10 tp 15 minutes or so - even though he is up in years and usually tells me the same stories over and over.
The lies that have been created by these commie nutcases for the past few decades or so have made many blacks racist, pure racist.
These things also belie their abilities and their intent to "take over" some day. Many have severe complexes about all of these things and the harm caused by LBJ and all of todays commie nutcases along with the evil they have created. Destruction of the nuclear black family, the destruction of many more familied. The lies about violence and who is responsible for perpetrating it. The lies about who COULD even "take over", itself a preposterous demonic fantasy that has been planted in too many heads.
Sad. Disgusting and evil. Hear me, commie nutcases? You are FAR from superior by any measure. I continue to live in truth.
You see this gruesome development almost anywhere. It needs to be gone.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:27 pm to AUauditor
The commies are fermenting a race riot. Divide and conquer.
Sadly it will get much worse before it gets better.
Sadly it will get much worse before it gets better.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:29 pm to AUauditor
quote:
I just walked on and grabbed me another seat and had a good meal...although steaming.
Meanwhile…
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:42 pm to AUauditor
you really did not know WTF to say? bruh you need to spend more time here and listen and learn
that is a softball statement from that dunce.
tell him native americans killed each other and enslaved each other and fought over lands waaaaaaay before any euros showed up here. it has happened all over the globe with all people.
here read this
LINK
what is he doing to fight to help free blacks in slavery in africa now??
LINK
does he know the real history of slavery?
LINK
that is a softball statement from that dunce.
tell him native americans killed each other and enslaved each other and fought over lands waaaaaaay before any euros showed up here. it has happened all over the globe with all people.
here read this
LINK
what is he doing to fight to help free blacks in slavery in africa now??
LINK
does he know the real history of slavery?
quote:
My name-changing friend did not know that slavery occurred on every continent except Antarctica. Europeans enslaved other Europeans. Asians enslaved Asians. Africans enslaved other Africans. Arabs enslaved other Arabs. Native Americans even enslaved other Native Americans.
LINK
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:29 pm to AUauditor
Many times I have said politely and with a smile, "No problem, I am a racist." Only once did the conversation go negative after saying it.
People appreciate honesty.
People appreciate honesty.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:35 pm to AUauditor
You should have told him to the victors go the spoils.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:43 pm to AUauditor
quote:
o be honest, I was a tad stunned. My only reply was "like taking what?" - giving him the opportunity to explain himself (sort of expecting something racial). He said, "like taking land from the Indians."
Before I could reply, he then spun around and as he was walking off said "you take one, and I will take the other."
"To the victor goes the spoils" As you plop down in your seat with a hearty smile.
Is the only answer
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:43 pm to AUauditor
That is a long story and I may missed the point. Are you are saying that you are a 59 year old white man living exclusively in small towns in Alabama and Georgia and that you have never have experienced racism? I’m asking because that ain’t possible. If my interpretation of your missive is correct, what you mean to say is that you only now been on the receiving end of what you perceive as racism.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:15 am to OldFatDog
quote:
Are you are saying that you are a 59 year old white man living exclusively in small towns in Alabama and Georgia and that you have never have experienced racism? I’m asking because that ain’t possible. If my interpretation of your missive is correct, what you mean to say is that you only now been on the receiving end of what you perceive as racism.
Nope...you are wrong.
My elementary school was segregated until third grade (1973), and I graduated from a 50% black high school (only 100 grads) and played football on probably an 60/70% black team. I grew up hearing the "n-word" from relatives and at school, along with "honkey" and other words aimed at whites at school. In high school, we messed with each other among races and yes used these words...but not in a menacing way.
I did learn the hard way that I NEEDED to fight in elementary school (which having an older brother whip my butt had me more than prepared). I came home after integration and told my dad about some new kid was trying to fight me and got in trouble, and my dad threatened to whip my arse if I didn't fight back, becuase bully's don't want to fight; they want a victim. I was a nerdy redneck at an early age and was afraid to get in trouble from my very intimidating father. This kid and I fought probably ten times over the next two years with him starting each and every one and him being the one who got in trouble. That guy didn't end up going to the same middle school (have no idea why not) and is in prison for murder today.
My elementary school was one block away from my house, and, not until I was an adult, did my parents tell me about the whites that picketed because of integration. So, I heard about it years later and did not see it.
I am aware of many white kids that I knew from church and elementary school that ended up graduated from 99.9% white county high schools - obvious white flight to which they, to this day, don't recognize that was what their parents did, and I did not recognize the racial overtones until I put two-and-two together from pictures posted from my kindergarten close on Facebook.
I was also aware of the black guy who poured gas and lit a white worker at a quick shop two blocks away from my house, which was big in the news with clear racial overtones. There was also much inter-and intra-race fights (including me) in high school, which may have had race overtones, but I don't know that.
There was a white guy from my high school who got into a fight with a white guy from an adjacent all-white high school that was leading to a larger group fight. The other school backed out when our black guys were going to join in, which would have made the numbers involved more equal.
At the end of a game during my freshman year of football when I didn't touch the field, a black senior came up to us all and said buckle up, we are going to fight. If you don't cross the field, you'll get your arse whipped when we get back to the high school. It happened and it got ugly in our favor (after losing the game). When we got back to the high school, the claim was racial comments, that I later confirmed were true when I talked to guys on the other team post-high school.
At my 40th reunion, a guy that graduated with me, was one of our starting running backs, went to college on a football scholarship then to the Army for a career introduced me to his new wife as his "first white friend."
So, yes, what I am saying is that I had never felt or seen overt - "done or shown openly; plainly or readily apparent, not secret or hidden" racism in my life...primarily adult life...until my visit to Minneapolis.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:18 am to Fat Bastard
Actually...I am well prepared on how to respond given time to think.
But, I was too stunned to respond timely or effectively. It was so much of an out-of-the-blue experience for me that I was ill-prepared.
But, I was too stunned to respond timely or effectively. It was so much of an out-of-the-blue experience for me that I was ill-prepared.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:19 am to AUauditor
Should have told the black dude "I'm not the one you have to worry about. The cops around here are the real threat."
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:24 pm to AUauditor
quote:
He replied with, "Yes, but I know how you people are about taking other people's stuff."
Ironic.
Should have asked him if he knew the theft racial breakdown in the US.
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