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re: Excess deaths and sickness now is COVID’s fault - signed The Covidians
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:11 am to High Desert
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:11 am to High Desert
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To add, the only rational reaction to a scientist who sincerely suggests banning all arguments that he and his system declare unworthy is to immediately dismiss that person as a non-scientist NO MATTER HOW COMPELLING his arguments.
Lol, is that what you think I'm suggesting?
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:14 am to RaginCajunz
We have known for years that lockdown would cause excess deaths due to missed dr's appointments and checkups.
Also covid has been known to damage organs for over 2 years.
Also covid has been known to damage organs for over 2 years.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:14 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Well, my point from the outset has been simple. I've stated several basic concepts but I'll digest them here.
Do you think I agree with deplatforming? Again, you seem intent on misreading me for some reason.
1. I sincerely believe that the vast majority if not overwhelming majority of INDIVIDUALS engaged in science to include COVID research do so as honestly as they can.
2. The last 2 years has proven to use that #1 barely matters if those who have access to the power can control what output is allowed.
3. We have indisputable evidence in the last 2 years that even WITHIN "the system" as you say, there was knowledge that was being intentionally withheld.
4. Also, this "system" was pretty damned routinely putting out some fricking bad scientific conclusions itself. Conclusions even their published underlying numbers didn't support but when you have a compliant media who will ban anyone who spots it......
5. Thus, because of 1 thru 4, they've completely gutted their credibility. Which is sad because as I said in #1, I STILL believe the vast majority WANT to be straight with us and conduct sound science. We've simply seen that the power of media, government and the almight dollar is greater than that of a bunch of largely anonymous dudes in white coats.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:15 am to crazy4lsu
quote:no.
Lol, is that what you think I'm suggesting?
It is EXACTLY what basically everyone at the top of this awesome "system" you speak of not only suggested BUT DID!
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:17 am to crazy4lsu
quote:It's been a day or 2 since I read Kuhn but I feel highly confident that I don't recall ANYTHING in his writings that said, "Scientific Revolutions happen best when those in consensus have the ability to use the government and media to silence and destroy the careers of everyone who disagrees". Maybe I'll have to go back and check. LOL
Great, but there is still a process on how those systems are upended. Again, Thomas Kuhn probably makes the clearest argument about how that progress is structured in his book 'The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.'
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:18 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Negative, as you illustrate here:
But that's always been the 'structure of fact,'
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Seeking funding in of itself promotes a lot of 'bad science' as well, where we see a variety of statistical techniques to hide less than favorable results. The replication crisis is a predictable result of a the 'results-at-all-costs' mode of institutional research.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:21 am to crazy4lsu
quote:So you're saying you don't discredit McCullough, just a select few of his arguments?
credentials didn't make him immune to bad arguments
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:25 am to RaginCajunz
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Covid does it all apparently. Not a hint of reflection of how useless the vaccines are. Even if you buy that the toasted immune responses are the virus, that totally ignores the jab was sold at avoiding Covid all together. Honk honk
There are still corporations requiring Covid-19 vaccines……crazy shite man.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:26 am to NC_Tigah
quote:I think crazy has also derailed a bit here because McCullough is FAR from the only one who spotted bullshite, said something, then got deplatformed, threatened, etc etc.
So you're saying you don't discredit McCullough, just a select few of his arguments?
Frankly, there were many claims that one didn't need to have high level credentials to mock. ANYONE connected to ANYONE who sat by as we were told the vaccine was going to be 100% effective and they were pretty much CERTAIN there were no side effects should have been dismissed out of hand. There simply had not been enough time to make EITHER of those claims.
Yet, they were bandied about MONTHS as anyone who said, "WTF" got their shite deleted.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:27 am to NC_Tigah
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So you're saying you don't discredit McCullough, just a select few of his arguments?
As with everything, it is on an argument to argument basis. I don't care enough about any specific person enough to run with an argument just because that person made them.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:33 am to NC_Tigah
The funding feature definitely speaks to the 'professionalization' that I am speaking about, and that professionalization is a very new addition to the discipline of the sciences. The newness and the ability to choose what questions to answer is part of the new structure of 'Big Science,' which started in the US with Ernest Lawrence's relationship with several California industrial magnates. I'd suggest that the whole system needs to be dismantled, but I'm also confident that that won't happen at all.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:33 am to High Desert
quote:Yes.
got their shite deleted
But it's a far wider societal problem. Covidianism is but one manifestation.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:41 am to Jack Carter
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I hope they keep getting the mRNA jab.
I realize you know this already, but it's unlikely the vaccines will do anything to prevent this. They are probably correct that the excess deaths are due to covid. Although much of the excess deaths are probably due to the shortage of deaths during the pandemic due to so many people isolating.
We, as a species, simply have to adapt to covid, just as past generations had to adapt to the other corona viruses that are now just colds. In the mean time some will die, and some will suffer. Luckily, it is not too bad.
Unfortunately, we just don't have the technology yet to inoculate ourselves from this.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:42 am to High Desert
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It's been a day or 2 since I read Kuhn but I feel highly confident that I don't recall ANYTHING in his writings that said, "Scientific Revolutions happen best when those in consensus have the ability to use the government and media to silence and destroy the careers of everyone who disagrees". Maybe I'll have to go back and check. LOL
Again, do you think I'm supporting the use of that consensus to limit inquiry? I'm saying that there is a structure to scientific consensus, and that paradigmatic shifts don't happen until they do.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:44 am to CamdenTiger
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Except the increase in deaths came a year after Covid, and only when the vaccine was available. Tracking the timing and the science, says this increase isn’t Covid
Baloney. That's a classic example of marshaling facts to support a narrative rather than to establish the truth. The timing also coincides with the end of social distancing and the resumption of normal life.
If the vaccines were the cause, then the excess deaths would be among the vaccinated only. I have seen no evidence suggesting that. Have you?
BTW, this nugget from another poster exemplifies the same phenomenon from the lefties...
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They've so completely fricked themselves with their willingness to lie, hide truths, pretend certainty when they had doubts, etc etc etc, that now, even if they make very legit discoveries, it's impossible to take them seriously.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 7:47 am
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:53 am to Strannix
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You know you could bring some value to this discussion if you weren't such a condescending arrogant prick, and I'm not sue why you are.
It’s because he knows he is wrong and has been this entire time, so he hides behind knowing more medical and scientific terminology than the average person and ‘having access to data no one else does’
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:54 am to Open Your Eyes
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It’s because he knows he is wrong and has been this entire time
Lol.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:55 am to RaginCajunz
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Excess deaths and sickness now is COVID’s fault - signed The Covidians
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:04 am to crazy4lsu
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But none of those credentials matter if they make bad arguments.
Ah yes, the side continuing to spout bullshite talking points and push a failed vaccine talking about others’ bad arguments.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:04 am to Forever
When the lemmings were trying to convince everyone to get the shot, their reasoning was You don’t know the long term effects of getting COVID! It will stop the spread!
Basically, they fell for the bullshite that this shot (not a vaccine) would prevent you from getting COVID, which turned out to be a lie. So, even with the shot, you can still be infected and transmit it to others.
Those with a questioning attitude had this thought: What are the long term effects of getting the jab(s)?
Guess what? They are seeing the immediate effects of the jab(s), and, if they are lucky, they will live long enough to see the long term effects.
Basically, they fell for the bullshite that this shot (not a vaccine) would prevent you from getting COVID, which turned out to be a lie. So, even with the shot, you can still be infected and transmit it to others.
Those with a questioning attitude had this thought: What are the long term effects of getting the jab(s)?
Guess what? They are seeing the immediate effects of the jab(s), and, if they are lucky, they will live long enough to see the long term effects.
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