re: Exactly how did Zelensky start his war with Russia?

So as a result he caused Finland which has a longer border than Ukraine with Russia to join NATO....so that argument loses some , if not all of its impact.

This war has never been about that primarily. At best it's a tertiary concern because Ukraine was 25 years at best from being a NATO member . This is about money and resources like any decent war.

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Exactly how did Zelensky start his war with Russia?

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By listening to Biden.

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Obama stayed out of Ukraine

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Right he left that for his Vice President and his son to be the bagmen. What year did Hunter start working for Burisma?

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So one sovereign nation requesting to join an alliance is starting a war?

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Despite assurances to the contrary, NATO is not a ‘defensive organization’. Even though American memories are short, people elsewhere remember the bombing campaign against Serbia, and the removal of Gaddafi from power in Libya. What NATO is in fact is the military arm of US hegemony, a hegemony that has seen it expand eastwards through Europe, right up to Russia’s very own borders.

“Don’t individual states reserve the right to enter into alliances with those they see fit, Niccolo?” Of course they do. But not all countries are islands, and most countries have neighbours. And not all neighbouring states are created equal, and they have their own national security concerns and interests. This is the case with Russia.

Russia has been invaded several times from the west since Napoleon first crossed the border to enter Imperial Russian soil in 1812. Every time since, western powers have been forced out, but have left behind devastation in their wake. This explains why Russia has sought buffers to its west ever since, with the largest buffer being its puppet regimes in eastern and central Europe during the Cold War.

NATO, originally set up to counter the USSR’s expansion into Europe, was left without a raison d’etre after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR. Nevertheless, it pressed on eastwards, and thanks to the CIA and MI6, effected Colour Revolutions to put into power friendly regimes that sought NATO membership in places like Tbilisi and Kiev. Where Colour Revolutions weren’t necessary due to historical grievances against Russia, NATO missile systems pointed at Russia have been set up (Romania and Poland).

For Russia, the nightmare scenario of dismemberment from the west is now tangible. You may disagree with their perspective, but what is important is HOW they view the situation. If you can’t understand their views, it is therefore impossible to talk to them, unless you are only willing to lecture to them or threaten them.

And lectures on democracy and threats to their economy and existence are all that have come out of the west towards Russia recently.

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2014 there was a color revolution instigated by the CIA to overthrow Yanukovych.

Check out Becoming Ukraine and Ukraine Under fire by Oliver Stone. Great documentaries to give you the full picture.

Then the CIA had the free reign under the US friendly regime to construct 12 CIA forward ops bases, set up over 26 bio labs, implode nordstream, then NATO admission was floated as a possibility against years of requests by Putin...on top of Putin had asked to join NATO, but he was rebuffed by US regimes.

So Finland declared war on Russia?

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2014 there was a color revolution instigated by the CIA to overthrow Yanukovych.

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The CIA caused Yanukovych to reject the integration efforts with the EU that was extremely popular with the Ukrainian population and government?

How?

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Then the CIA had the free reign under the US friendly regime to construct 12 CIA forward ops bases, set up over 26 bio labs,

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What does this have to do with Zelensky?

He ousted the guy you will argue was installed following the coup you referenced. The influence should have been over at that point.

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Did you miss the part where Ukraine has been begging to join the NATO and Putin saying he didn't want NATO on his doorstep?

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Well that did not work out well for him. He might have stopped Ukraine from joining NATO but Finland joined NATO. Now NATO is less than 30 miles from Putin's hometown of St. Petersburg.

Looking back - it goes back to the fact that Russia lost its stranglehold on Ukranian politics.

Robert Manafort was heavily involved in Ukrainian politics back then. Then it was over with the ouster of Yanukovich.

After the election, Russia put its agitators in Donbas and Crimea to stir the pot. Lots of issues and battles with Donbas rebels.

Then eventually Putin rolled tanks into Crimea and took it in 2014.

Zelenskyy’s isn’t the Russian puppet that Yanukovych was, so he is to blame, according to Russia.

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-Yanukovych thwarted EU integration unilaterally.

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I wonder why?

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-EU integration was highly popular with the Ukrainian population.

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With the MSM being propped up by the CIA to be a propaganda machine for promoting EU integration. The Ukrainian population eventually bought it.

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-EU integration was highly popular with the Ukrainian government.

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Well of course they were. Money laundering and NGO financing which would make all of them rich just like the politicians here. They said sign us up.

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Which do you dispute?

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All of them. There are MANY that were involved or have first hand knowledge of what happened. They have been posted here ad nauseum but you disregard them as "fake news" and stick to your opinion for what ever reason. I mean they have recorded phone calls of Nuland and others talking about how they were going to oust the past regime. Common sense dude. Take the evidence and use some FRICKIN common sense.