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re: Exactly how did Zelensky start his war with Russia?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 4:50 pm to AGGIES
Posted on 2/19/25 at 4:50 pm to AGGIES
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They were Russians pretending to be rebel groups and recruiting other “rebels”.
It is the equivalent of what the CIA has done elsewhere.
Donbas did have a lot of Russians who were recruited to go there starting with Stalin's Russification campaign after he had murdered and starved to death 5 million Ukrainians.
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 4:54 pm to AGGIES
If we just stop sending billions every 6 months to Ukraine I’d be happy?
Is that possible? Or are too many mouths fed by weapons and ammunition sent over or bought with funds?
Is that possible? Or are too many mouths fed by weapons and ammunition sent over or bought with funds?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:07 pm to NC_Tigah
As you point out he's wrong on the pics.
He's gone. SOP
As you said he's smart and knows law. I like him. He makes my brain work harder but he is a greased pig sometimes. Edited "most times"
He's gone. SOP
As you said he's smart and knows law. I like him. He makes my brain work harder but he is a greased pig sometimes. Edited "most times"
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:14 pm to Stonehenge
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The elderly demented golfer claims the Ukraine invaded itself.
ummmmmm
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The Revolution of Dignity also known as the Ukrainian Revolution, took place in Ukraine in February 2014. Deadly clashes between protesters and state forces in the capital Kyiv culminated in the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, the return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine, and the outbreak of the 2014 Russo-Ukrainian War.
You understand that "protestors and state forces" were only Ukrainian on Ukrainian fighting, right? Wait theres more. Actual voting to join Russia. So Russia annexed them. Still, no war
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The Russo-Ukrainian War began in February 2014. Following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, Russia supported pro-Russian separatists fighting the Ukrainian military in the Donbas War.
You get that pro-Russian separatists arent Russians, right? They would be just called Russians, and definitely not separatists. Still more
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2014 Crimean status referendum, on March 16, 2014, concerning the status of Crimea that was conducted in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol (both subdivisions of Ukraine). 58.3% of the population of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea are ethnic Russians
Zelensky then began asking for entry into NATO, and eventually asked for fast-track entry
Russia responded
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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Would preventing the loss of 100K+ Ukrainian lives, basically for nothing except "Pressing Putin," constitute "killed support for Ukraine"?
You’re going to have to clarify what you mean by this.
Just tell Ukraine to let them take the land they want for now and hope they don’t want more land next year?
Again. Ukraine had the nukes. The US convinced them to get rid of their nukes with security assurances.
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Russia was struggling
To clarify, the comment was about Russian economy struggling.
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Employing young Ukrainians as combat fodder for ZERO PURPOSE
You seem to be looking for a better purpose than defending your own land. Is Putin’s purpose more agreeable to you?
My primary concern is that in terms of international diplomacy, Trump’s US is now no different from Putin’s Russia. Completely untrustworthy.
No I’m not doing virtue signaling.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:18 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Nazism is still alive and well in Ukraine,Ukraine was the money laundering capital.Ukraine was home to many nefarious biolabs for foreign countries,US being one,with the help of Obama,Biden and other politicians.they were manufacturing adreno...... also a hub for human and child trafficking,lots of it underground.Zelensky didn`t start the war.the labs and underground had to be eliminated.the person running this country do you think he would be out in public asking for monies?he is an actor
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:39 pm to AGGIES
quote:Am i?
Would preventing the loss of 100K+ Ukrainian lives, basically for nothing except "Pressing Putin," constitute "killed support for Ukraine"?
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You’re going to have to clarify what you mean by this.
Okay.
I mean this affair could have (should have) ended with better results for Ukraine in 2022 than it will in 2025. Any deaths since Apr22 are on the parties who scuttled negotiations.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:39 pm to AGGIES
Putin is using Trump to mold America into a future state of the Russian federation
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:40 pm to XenScott
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It was started in 2014 by election interference from the Obama administration. Blinkin lit the fuse when he stated that Ukraine May be fast tracked in to NATO.
This. Obama has this blood on his hands.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:41 pm to AGGIES
quote:Human lives saved are more important/agreeable to me.
Is Putin’s purpose more agreeable to you?
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 5:34 am
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:41 pm to TheShmoo
He didn’t. That’s an “alternate fact.”
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:43 pm to AGGIES
quote:Are you brain damaged? Seriously.
Trump’s US is now no different from Putin’s Russia. Completely untrustworthy.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
HAHAH! Ok that's hilarious.
I had lunch with a "Ex" CIA agent who was working for an NGO over there during and prior to Maidan doing spook shite under the guise of cyber security work for pro democracy dissidents. Translation, the people that are in charge now. They were getting their funding from Hillary Clinton's State Department, probably through USAID, and George Soros.
You don't have to believe it. It's a fact.
I had lunch with a "Ex" CIA agent who was working for an NGO over there during and prior to Maidan doing spook shite under the guise of cyber security work for pro democracy dissidents. Translation, the people that are in charge now. They were getting their funding from Hillary Clinton's State Department, probably through USAID, and George Soros.
You don't have to believe it. It's a fact.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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Human lives saved are more important agreeable to me
Then why is it so hard for you to see that the person who’s sending the rockets to destroy the lives should be told to quit doing that?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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I mean this affair could have (should have) ended with better results for Ukraine in 2022 than it will in 2025. Any deaths since Apr22 are on the parties who scuttled negotiations.
Serious question - In terms of peace talks. What was Russia offering in 2022 that is better than what they are offering today?
You may have done better Intel.
Otherwise, it just sounds like people are lacking the courage to be honest about Trump completely caving to Putin because that is easier for him.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:04 pm to AGGIES
quote:""The"" person?
Then why is it so hard for you to see that the person who’s sending the rockets to destroy the lives should be told to quit doing that?
Which person?
Fair warning ... be careful if you're unfamiliar with Minsk and Merkel's related admissions.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:08 pm to AGGIES
quote:I'd assume in terms of negotiation competency neither side would accede to 2022 points as a starting basis.
What was Russia offering in 2022 that is better than what they are offering today?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:09 pm to AGGIES
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Serious question - In terms of peace talks. What was Russia offering in 2022 that is better than what they are offering today? You may have done better Intel. Otherwise, it just sounds like people are lacking the courage to be honest about Trump completely caving to Putin because that is easier for him.
Ding ding ding
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:11 pm to TheShmoo
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Exactly how did Zelensky start his war with Russia?
Probably by being hellbent on being a part of NATO.
FAFO.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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you're 80?
Born in 1826, I'm one of the flagged social security recipients.
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