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re: EV charging data for TD so you can see the massive tidal wave headed for California
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:08 pm to MightyYat
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:08 pm to MightyYat
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I haven't had gas limited in my lifetime.
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MightyYat
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New Orleans
I'd be shocked if you didn't have issues after storms on the gulf coast. I had limited ability to fill up in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina and Rita. There were so many people in Baton Rouge that the stations would run out of gas almost every day.
I also had issues in Atlanta in Sept 2008 after Gustav and Ike.
On the flip side, there have also been electricity shortages and brown outs in some parts of the country in my lifetime, but I haven't seen them personally. I have lost power for weeks on end after a hurricane though. Which is concerning if my only means to move around was an electric car.
Honestly not sure what to think about the EV question. I'm not really on board while the public charging network is so weak. But I am not going to cling to an ICE vehicle once that changes unless I'm really attached to that particular car.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 1:12 pm
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:08 pm to concrete_tiger
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Those EVs are going to be taking up spots 2x on the same trip we may not even stop once to fill up.
No, no, no. We just wave the wand and green energy.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:09 pm to shel311
Can you imagine places like Orange Beach and Destin that see an influx of thousands upon thousands of cars, all staying at the Phoenix IV and other high rise condo buildings.
How many chargers will be needed to meet this demand?
Where will they be located?
Where does the power come from to serve that much additional energy consumption?
Can you imagine the chaos?
How many chargers will be needed to meet this demand?
Where will they be located?
Where does the power come from to serve that much additional energy consumption?
Can you imagine the chaos?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:09 pm to concrete_tiger
quote:I don't know about that. I think there are a ton of locals going to Bucees. Now obviously not every local going to Bucees will need to get gas, but I'm sure many do because they need it or because they're already there just because Bucees is a thing people like to do, you may as well tank up while you're there.
What % of people filling up at a Buc-ees are local? I would wager that number is tiny.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:10 pm to the808bass
quote:Why?
It absolutely will.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:10 pm to shel311
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Every electric car on the road will need a public place to fill up.
Every electric car on the road does not need a public place to charge.
You are one of those "I never leave town so why would anyone else leave town" types, eh?
So much of the EV conversation is framed around urban life. "I only drive 500 miles in a year" or "my commute is 2 miles, what's the big deal," etc.
The interstates are full of fricking cars and trucks. Those people most certainly will need a place to charge. So let's eliminate local traffic, you still have travelers and commuters. If not gas stations, they will need to charge at a hotel, etc... the logic just hasn't been worked out. It would make sense if you could realistically charge a vehicle with any outlet (like apparently many Californians thought), but you can't.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:11 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:You can put a charger on every corner and/or replace every gas station with chargers, people will still overwhelmingly charge at home unless on road trips or day trips that are 200-300+ miles.
The new Inflation Reduction Act has $$ in it for states to add chargers every 50 miles on the Interstates for EVs.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:12 pm to the808bass
So all the people who are staying overnight at hotels, where are they going to charge?
Your typical Hampton Inn has about 120 rooms. Unless Hampton has chargers at every parking spot, you have to go somewhere else to charge...where?
Your typical Hampton Inn has about 120 rooms. Unless Hampton has chargers at every parking spot, you have to go somewhere else to charge...where?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:13 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Can you imagine places like Orange Beach and Destin that see an influx of thousands upon thousands of cars, all staying at the Phoenix IV and other high rise condo buildings.
How many chargers will be needed to meet this demand?
Where will they be located?
Where does the power come from to serve that much additional energy consumption?
Can you imagine the chaos?
Doesn't matter, haven't you been reading? Those EV owners charged their cars at home.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:14 pm to concrete_tiger
quote:Stay on topic, what part of what I said is wrong or you disagree with?
You are one of those "I never leave town so why would anyone else leave town" types, eh?
You think most people are driving 250+ miles per day?
quote:The logic we're specifically discussing in this back and forth is X amount of cars have to stop at gas stations to get gas, and thus if we want to electric, the same exact X amount of cars would need to then get a charge in public. That is incorrect. What part of that do you disagree with?
the logic just hasn't been worked out.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:16 pm to the808bass
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It absolutely will.
No that's not true. EV's have the ability to charge at home. So less of their total energy demands come from retail chargers. EV's would only really require charging away from home if they are being driven on a longer trip that's beyond their range.
ICE cars are different in that nearly all of them require refilling at a retail gas station for every fill up. Not just for long trips - but every fill up, even if they are only used for short, daily commutes.
You could potentially get an EV and never have to use a public charger because you can refuel them at home. You can't do that with an ICE vehicle.
So all things being equal, we will need fewer chargers than we have gas pumps. However, things are not entirely equal yet. Most EV's don't charge as rapidly as cars can fill up, so they will consume more time at the ICE charger than the car will consume at the gas pump.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:16 pm to Chromdome35
quote:Same places they charge at now. That hotel, nearby superchargers, nearby destination chargers.
So all the people who are staying overnight at hotels, where are they going to charge?
Are we doing a thing where we pretend every car is turned to an EV starting today but we haven't added a single additional charge station today? If that's your point, then yes that would be a huge issue.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:16 pm to deathvalleytiger10
Exactly the point I'm trying to make. Those people will have to go to charging centers (like a buc-ee's) to charge.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:17 pm to shel311
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people will still overwhelmingly charge at home unless on road trips or day trips that are 200-300+ miles.
Say, 10% have to charge on the road and we have 100,000 EVs being driven in Cali.
10,000 people charging at these locations will equal 67,000 homes at peak load.
When you start adding demand like that in a state already underwater when it comes to energy supply, you will start seeing energy cost skyrocket to account for the additional load and transmission and distribution upgrades.
Multiply this summer's home peak power bill by at least 2x inside of 10 years.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:17 pm to shel311
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tank up
What kind of yankee shite is this?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:17 pm to concrete_tiger
quote:You're not making any sense right now
Doesn't matter, haven't you been reading? Those EV owners charged their cars at home.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:19 pm to shel311
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but we haven't added a single additional charge station today?
I'm adding close to 10MVA worth of EV charging stations in EBR alone this year, and it's just getting ramped up.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:19 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:I think you're off to a really bad star there with an insanely inflated number here.
Say, 10% have to charge on the road and we have 100,000 EVs being driven in Cali.
You think 1 in 10 people who get in their car and go on the road daily are going to go 250+ miles?
I don't even think 1 in 100 would be remotely close to a realistic guess.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:20 pm to roadGator
The constant back and forth here just proves the shiat hasn't been thought thru well enough to just set an arbitrary date for conversion.
5 minutes to fill up. 12-15 cars rotate thru a pump in 1 hour.
30 minute charge. 2 cars rotate thru a "pump" in 1 hour.
Are they physically stacking cars so they can fit 10 cars into one parking spot to charge?
The thruput alone dictates you will need a massive amount of chargers, even if everyone charging at home. Interstate gas stations are not by in large servicing local traffic already as a significant portion of their volume.
5 minutes to fill up. 12-15 cars rotate thru a pump in 1 hour.
30 minute charge. 2 cars rotate thru a "pump" in 1 hour.
Are they physically stacking cars so they can fit 10 cars into one parking spot to charge?
The thruput alone dictates you will need a massive amount of chargers, even if everyone charging at home. Interstate gas stations are not by in large servicing local traffic already as a significant portion of their volume.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:20 pm to Chromdome35
quote:What do you mean by "will have to," EVs exist now and people are charing in public and at home right now.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make. Those people will have to go to charging centers (like a buc-ee's) to charge.
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