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re: EV charging data for TD so you can see the massive tidal wave headed for California
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:20 pm to shel311
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:20 pm to shel311
You must be being purposely obtuse. Of course, we aren't talking about today's infrastructure.
If we want people to charge overnight, then every parking spot at a hotel will need a charger. And the infrastructure required to support that will be massively expensive, far beyond just the need for additional generating capacity.
My original example of what a refitted Buc-ees would need to look like is still spot on.
If we want people to charge overnight, then every parking spot at a hotel will need a charger. And the infrastructure required to support that will be massively expensive, far beyond just the need for additional generating capacity.
My original example of what a refitted Buc-ees would need to look like is still spot on.
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:21 pm to shel311
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You think 1 in 10 people who get in their car and go on the road daily are going to go 250+ miles?
My friends who own Tesla's will always plug in when they are near a location if they are stopping somewhere.
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I don't even think 1 in 100 would be remotely close to a realistic guess.
Well, you're wrong.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:23 pm to Chromdome35
quote:I mean, that is literally what you've done for 2 pages now.
You must be being purposely obtuse. Of course, we aren't talking about today's infrastructure.
quote:Except it's not because not every car getting gas at a Bucees now would need to get a charge in public, again.
My original example of what a refitted Buc-ees would need to look like is still spot on.
quote:So to confirm, your argument is that if we're going to go all EV, we need more charging infrastructure? If that is your argument, then I agree. And so does everyone else in the world.
If we want people to charge overnight, then every parking spot at a hotel will need a charger. And the infrastructure required to support that will be massively expensive, far beyond just the need for additional generating capacity.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:24 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:Well, you're wrong. Now what?
Well, you're wrong.
I think it's laughable that you think 10% of drivers drive 250+ miles per day, and are being loud about that horrific take.
quote:LOL ok. My friends who own Teslas don't do that, since we're making up random stories to fit our agendas.
My friends who own Tesla's will always plug in when they are near a location if they are stopping somewhere.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:26 pm to concrete_tiger
EVs aren’t going to work for many reasons.
Where are we getting all the lithium?
Greenies never mention mining for it or disposal of it. Why?
Too inconvient?
Where are we getting all the lithium?
Greenies never mention mining for it or disposal of it. Why?
Too inconvient?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:28 pm to shel311
Why do you use the lol emoticon more than a 13 year old girl?
Habit from Snapchat?
Habit from Snapchat?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:31 pm to Chromdome35
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Those people will have to go to charging centers (like a buc-ee's) to charge.
Yes. But only the ones that didn't charge at home or at a hotel the night before.
Basically I can see a future where we need about as many charging stations as gas pumps along highways in places like PILOT, Love's, Buc-ee's, or just chargers located in parking lots of shopping areas near interstates - especially if we can reduce charge times.
But I can also see us getting away with far fewer charging stations than gas pumps in areas that primarily serve commuters.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:35 pm to shel311
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I think it's laughable that you think 10% of drivers drive 250+ miles per day, and are being loud about that horrific take
They aren't driving that much, but will plug in when stopped, just to get back to a full charge if needed.
I have much more knowledge of the complete demand and infrastructure growth that will be needed for the shift to EVs. It takes years (5-10) to build new power generation facilities and the upgrades to the transmission and distribution systems are not rapid, either (2-4 years).
I said one place in BR had 6 charging at the same time. As the change to EVs occur, this will climb even higher. When you design a system, you have to design it for the potential demand; whether it's in use or not. If Rivian adds 3MVA worth of charging stations at one facility, we could see 2.5MVA at that location in the future. So, we eventually will have to upgrade everything back to the substation much sooner than later, and, possibly the transmission grid when additional demand grows.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:36 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:That's not even remotely close to accurate. On any given day, ~.15% of Tesla's hit a supercharger station. Did you know, about 30% of Tesla's on the road today have never been to a supercharger at all? That the average time between charge's for level 2 users is 9.5 days?
Say, 10% have to charge on the road and we have 100,000 EVs being driven in Cali.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:37 pm to LSUAlum2001
2035 for only EV car sales won't happen. It was an Exe Order, I believe. It was virtue signaling by Newsom and then the power companies will tell the subsequent govs what is up. Cali law makers will either wake up to reality or throw tax money at it to get as much infrastructure completed with chargers. But even if they jumped in now to build plants, they wouldn't be ready in time.
I have to think the next gov will quietly cancel the EO to this.
But I have admit, it would be fun to watch. My fear is that half the country would already be on this same path before Cali gets a reality check.
I have to think the next gov will quietly cancel the EO to this.
But I have admit, it would be fun to watch. My fear is that half the country would already be on this same path before Cali gets a reality check.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:39 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:No shite, every EV owner will plug in "if needed" but you moved the goalposts mightily here. It went from your friends will always charge when out and about if a charger is nearby to they'll only do it "if needed." Which is it?
They aren't driving that much, but will plug in when stopped, just to get back to a full charge if needed.
quote:But yet you still think that 10% of people who get on the road daily are driving 250+ miles? I know that sounds like me being an a-hole but take that as an honest question because it's not linig up. If you have that knowledge, you know that 10% line is way overstated by a long shot.
I have much more knowledge of the complete demand and infrastructure growth that will be needed for the shift to EVs
quote:I'm not arguing we won't need to add any chargers. I'm arguing we won't need 1 on every corner in every town, like gas stations. I say that because...we won't.
I said one place in BR had 6 charging at the same time. As the change to EVs occur, this will climb even higher. When you design a system, you have to design it for the potential demand; whether it's in use or not. If Rivian adds 3MVA worth of charging stations at one facility, we could see 2.5MVA at that location in the future. So, we eventually will have to upgrade everything back to the substation much sooner than later, and, possibly the transmission grid when additional demand grows.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:41 pm to billjamin
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I don't even think 1 in 100 would be remotely close to a realistic guess.
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Well, you're wrong.
quote:Welp, there ya go.
On any given day, ~.15% of Tesla's hit a supercharger station
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:44 pm to shel311
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I'm not arguing we won't need to add any chargers. I'm arguing we won't need 1 on every corner in every town, like gas stations. I say that because...we won't.
There won't be, but potential 10MVA demand this year in EBRP is just the start in my area.
What's the limit? 25? 50? 100? These inner city networks will require significant upgrades if the trend continues.
More bitching about power bills, I assume.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:47 pm to dewster
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No that's not true.
It’s absolutely true.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:50 pm to billjamin
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On any given day, ~.15% of Tesla's hit a supercharger station.
That’s because the people who are buying Tesla’s have lifestyles that fit the model of a Tesla.
That does not mean that people who haven’t bought a Tesla would have similar statistics. I can put a couple hundred miles on a car multiple days in a row. I haven’t seriously considered buying an electric car for that very reason.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:54 pm to the808bass
quote:Correct. Someone said 10% and that's laughably incorrect.
That’s because the people who are buying Tesla’s have lifestyles that fit the model of a Tesla.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:55 pm to shel311
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I'm not arguing we won't need to add any chargers. I'm arguing we won't need 1 on every corner in every town, like gas stations. I say that because...we won't.
Look at any main interstate today, they are packed with cars. I'm talking I30 between Dallas and Little Rock (not local traffic), not 75 between McKinney and Dallas (mainly local traffic). The travel centers exist to refuel those vehicles and sell some overpriced beef jerky. In an EV world, there is still going to be a very large demand for charging stations along our main travel routes and this is why places like Buc-ees are going to have to install a lot of superchargers to make it viable. Do you disagree with this?
The internets are full of pictures of lines of Tesla's waiting to recharge...here are a few.
ETA: If all these cars can charge at home, why are they lined up like this?
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:56 pm to the808bass
quote:How so?
It’s absolutely true.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:56 pm to Taxing Authority
The only thing I can think of would be running a jumper off a 240 volt circuit which means you’ll have to sacrifice the use of your oven, dryer, or hot water, while you charge your car. 100% sure it doesn’t pass code but it’d be a quick fix. Otherwise you’re talking about upgrading service wires, panel boxes etc and that’s $2K at minimum on each
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:59 pm to the808bass
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It’s absolutely true.
Only if you ignore that fact that EV's can charge at home.
Daily commuters wouldn't need to recharge anywhere but at home or work. They'd only need the superchargers for longer trips, like on freeways or major highways.
Almost all ICE cars are refueled at a public fuel station every time.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 2:04 pm
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