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re: Europe is betting that President Trump will not walk away
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:42 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:42 pm to Indefatigable
No boots on the ground. That’s the problem.
Young Americans shouldn’t be sent to that shithole because of anyone
Young Americans shouldn’t be sent to that shithole because of anyone
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Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:42 pm to SallysHuman
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Trump is *always* willing to walk away from a bad deal, have they not read his books?
The answer over and over and over is no.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:43 pm to Indefatigable
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If all that is required for the UK, France, German, Poland, etc., to insert a peacekeeping force is
So essentially have NATO forces in Ukraine but Ukraine will not be a member of NATO. Gotcha. Russia will never allow this as it’s the main reason this war was started.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:43 pm to Indefatigable
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If all that is required for... is a statement from Trump that "if you attack these people, we'll become interested," then what is the problem? Putin isn't risking a conflict with the US.
Do you READ what you post?
Good Lord... it's basically a game of "I'm not touching you", but with your little brother kicking their shins.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:44 pm to HeadCall
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I don’t understand why 3 of the largest and most powerful economies on the planet with sophisticated militaries need our support to keep the peace in Ukraine from a shite military that couldn’t even beat Ukraine.
Then you are ignorant. Those three nations don't even have a military capable of fighting in defense of their own borders anymore.
Collectively, they may be able to field 50k combat troops and a few hundred armored vehicles--with most of that being French.
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Those countries shouldn’t be allowed to insert themselves into a non NATO conflict and then when they get attacked have guarantees from other NATO members.
They don't and aren't. Nothing any of these countries offensively and unilaterally has any NATO implications.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:44 pm to Indefatigable
Friday was supposed to be a photo op to sign a deal with Trump. Why did he change his mind? Who is he answering to?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:44 pm to SallysHuman
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Good Lord... it's basically a game of "I'm not touching you", but with your little brother kicking their shins.
Correct. That's what foreign policy has been for at least a century now.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:45 pm to tide06
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The answer over and over and over is no.
Actually, I think the answer is they damn well know what Trump is and they are counting on a coup or killing to take him (Trump) out. There is no other logical explanation for them to keep pushing the impossible unless they have a Plan B.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:45 pm to Warboo
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So essentially have NATO forces in Ukraine but Ukraine will not be a member of NATO.
Nope. Not NATO forces. Three members of NATO putting forces in Ukraine with no NATO obligations whatsoever.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:46 pm to Indefatigable
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Then you are ignorant. Those three nations don't even have a military capable of fighting in defense of their own borders anymore. Collectively, they may be able to field 50k combat troops and a few hundred armored vehicles--with most of that being French
Like I said, they’re high powered economies. They are more than capable of buying some tanks and jets. I’m sure Lockheed and General Dynamics would be happy to sell them a few hundred billion dollars worth.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:46 pm to Indefatigable
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Correct. That's what foreign policy has been for at least a century now.
Well, hopefully, that playground policy ends with Trump at the helm.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:47 pm to John Barron
At this point, I think Russia's best strategic option is to mobilize more military personnel and materiel in order to launch an all-out Peace Offensive this summer that would involve demolishing Ukraine's infrastructure and military power and personnel to the greatest extent possible. Russia is now at a critical juncture - they must put their entire economy on Total War footing in an effort to bring this war to a final and decisive military conclusion in Russia's favor.]
Let's see how strong Russia is now.
Let's see how strong Russia is now.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:47 pm to John Barron
The Original poster left out
Trump will break it off in Europe. Ukraine or wherever!!!
Trump will break it off in Europe. Ukraine or wherever!!!
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:47 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Why did he change his mind?
How stupid do you have to be to pretend like you don't know why there wasn't a deal signed on Friday?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:49 pm to HeadCall
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They are more than capable of buying some tanks and jets
From who?
This doesn't make any sense and betrays your ignorance.
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I’m sure Lockheed and General Dynamics would be happy to sell them a few hundred billion dollars worth.
First of all, no US companies cannot just export tanks or combat aircraft without government approval. Second, are you under the impression that we just have excess F-35's or upgraded Abrams tanks sitting in a parking lot somewhere?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:49 pm to Indefatigable
sry, we have covered them for the last 100 years, what have we got for it...37 trillion in dept. so now they can take it, see ya. will not be ya
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:51 pm to Indefatigable
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Nope. Not NATO forces. Three members of NATO putting forces in Ukraine with no NATO obligations whatsoever.
So essentially change the name and all will be good. Yeah Putin will be like “oh so it’s not nato!!! Cool everything is Rosie”. Not going to happen.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:51 pm to SallysHuman
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Well, hopefully, that playground policy ends with Trump at the helm.
It won't, because that type of thing has been at the forefront of geopolitics as long as nation states have existed.
Nothing about this current conflict is unique beyond the expanded visibility of the battlefield afforded by tech and social media.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:51 pm to HeadCall
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Like I said, they’re high powered economies. They are more than capable of buying some tanks and jets. I’m sure Lockheed and General Dynamics would be happy to sell them a few hundred billion dollars worth.
Good post and you are 100% correct. The only reason to have "Peacekeeping" forces is to drag us into the War since Ukraine with NATO equipment,funding, intelligence, and planning has lost to Russia and needs more manpower
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:52 pm to Warboo
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So essentially change the name and all will be good. Yeah Putin will be like “oh so it’s not nato!!! Cool everything is Rosie”. Not going to happen.
You understand that these deployments being floated by Starmer are following a peace deal, right?
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