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re: Episcopal Church says it won’t help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status i
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:22 pm to mwade91383
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:22 pm to mwade91383
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They do need help. But we know they’re not the only ones, and yet they’re the only ones we can seem to help.
Then why aren’t they helping these people? What’s the difference?
Are they not gods creatures?
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Again, what’s the religious (or hell even just intellectually honest) justification for that???
Thats what you call a redirect.
Why don’t you just answer the question?
Why not these people?
The reality is you can’t and won’t answer the question because it’s blindingly obvious the decision is being made on racial and political lines.
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:25 pm to conservativewifeymom
Source or just vibes again? Did trumps EO in January just not in happen in whatever alternate universe you live in?
Here, straight from the orange horses mouth.
LINK
Here, straight from the orange horses mouth.
LINK
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:26 pm to conservativewifeymom
I grew up an Episcopalian. I’m embarrassed by what it has become
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:26 pm to tide06
Can you read? I said yes, those people, multiple times.
Now your turn, why not anybody else?
Now your turn, why not anybody else?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:31 pm to mwade91383
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Can you read? I said yes, those people, multiple time
You did, but you didn’t explain why the episcopal church wasn’t supporting them.
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Now your turn, why not anybody else?
Are the people you want to help being ethnically cleansed due to their race?
Do they have proven skills which allow them to contribute to the United States without being a drain on our resources?
Do they have western values that will mesh well with our culture and social worldview?
If so they too should be considered for refugee status.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:33 pm to lsuson
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I grew up an Episcopalian. I’m embarrassed by what it has become
I know how you feel. I was reared a Methodist. Ditching that ridiculous church and converting to Catholicism is the one thing I have done in my life that I know with absolute certainty was the right thing to do.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:40 pm to tide06
That’s because I’m not TEC and I don’t know why. I think it’s because they don’t want to play a role in trumps clearly politically motivated refugee game. I’m sure it was a hard decision for them, but that’s just me speculating.
-you’re talking about people from everywhere, in some cases, likely yes.
-same as above
-same as above
-same as above
But we’re not considering ANY of them unless they’re from SA. Some of them even stuck their neck out for our troops at great risk. Where are the military people and why aren’t they speaking up for these people?
It sounds like we agree, there’s no good justification for what TEC or Trump is doing.
-you’re talking about people from everywhere, in some cases, likely yes.
-same as above
-same as above
-same as above
But we’re not considering ANY of them unless they’re from SA. Some of them even stuck their neck out for our troops at great risk. Where are the military people and why aren’t they speaking up for these people?
It sounds like we agree, there’s no good justification for what TEC or Trump is doing.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:48 pm to mwade91383
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That’s because I’m not TEC and I don’t know why. I think it’s because they don’t want to play a role in trumps clearly politically motivated refugee game. I’m sure it was a hard decision for them, but that’s just me speculating.
It’s not hard. Either they were lying when they said it was about helping refugees or they’re lying now. One way or the other they’re FOS political activists masquerading as religious figures.
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you’re talking about people from everywhere, in some cases, likely yes.
Show me an example of a current group being ethnically cleansed due to race with marketable job skills and western values?
And if you say Mexicans with the cartels be aware I’m about to show you multiple graphs explaining how much they currently take via social programs relative to what they contribute via taxes.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:50 pm to conservativewifeymom
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No worries, I remember the bitch at the National Cathedral's speech. Typical!
Then they found out she was getting USAID money
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:51 pm to mwade91383
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Some of them even helped US forces in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Well, Biden's government has been sharing Intel with the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and ISIS since the withdrawal in 2021, including the names of Afghanis that helped us, so unless they're actively fighting with a resistance group, the good guys in that country have probably all been executed.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 7:52 pm to Diego Ricardo
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These white South African refugees are not in any real harm
Tell that to their butchered and raped neighbors.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:03 pm to tide06
That’s bullshite.
TEC is certainly a left leaning org but that doesn’t automatically mean they’re wrong. You’re pretending it’s a binary decision and just disregarding all other context, much of which we’ve touched on. And thats not even to say these ppl arent anymore up a creek w or wo TECs help.
The funds will be (presumably) funneled to other religious orgs that will do the same work. Unless Trump cuts those off too, and let me guess, that'd also be TECs fault, amirite?
Also, what a bizarre and arbitrary (read: wildly convenient) specific criteria to decide who is and isn’t worthy of mercy. Especially in any kind of religious context.
TEC is certainly a left leaning org but that doesn’t automatically mean they’re wrong. You’re pretending it’s a binary decision and just disregarding all other context, much of which we’ve touched on. And thats not even to say these ppl arent anymore up a creek w or wo TECs help.
The funds will be (presumably) funneled to other religious orgs that will do the same work. Unless Trump cuts those off too, and let me guess, that'd also be TECs fault, amirite?
Also, what a bizarre and arbitrary (read: wildly convenient) specific criteria to decide who is and isn’t worthy of mercy. Especially in any kind of religious context.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:07 pm to mwade91383
Alright well we disagree entirely on this topic and I think you’re completely unwilling to face the obvious facts driving their decision so there’s no purpose in debating any further.
I’m entirely confident that public opinion will break strongly towards my interpretation of the situation given the timing and the facts but time will tell.
I’m entirely confident that public opinion will break strongly towards my interpretation of the situation given the timing and the facts but time will tell.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:17 pm to tide06
No it’s clear what they’re doing and why they’re doing it. And who supports it and why. You could even describe it as overt but nobody wants to have that conversation.
My point is from a religious standpoint it’s nonsense. People only criticizing TEC and not Trump is no way honest or in good faith (no pun intended). Esp if they’re trying to pretend they care about refugees.
My point is from a religious standpoint it’s nonsense. People only criticizing TEC and not Trump is no way honest or in good faith (no pun intended). Esp if they’re trying to pretend they care about refugees.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:17 pm to wadewilson
I don’t have any issue with bringing the SAs here at all. But there are thousands still alive in Afghanistan who would love to get out and are still loyal to US.
They’re just laying low and trying to hold out.
They’re just laying low and trying to hold out.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:20 pm to Diego Ricardo
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These white South African refugees are not in any real harm
Ignorant take. Do a little research on it
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:25 pm to conservativewifeymom
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The Episcopal Church’s migration service is refusing a directive from the federal government to help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status, citing the church’s longstanding “commitment to racial justice and reconciliation.”
Ahh, we commit to racial justice by deliberately discriminating against a particular race. Makes perfect sense.
Sounds like the Red Door demons are begging to lose their tax exemption.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:26 pm to scottyd
I'd rather see them stay in Afghanistan and us fund their resistance against the taliban. They certainly deserve it after all the billions we've given to the talib boy lovers.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:29 pm to HagaDaga
quote:At the end of the day, this is probably a good thing. Don't introduce, and infect these people, to the politics of the Episcopals!
Episcopal Church says it won’t help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status i
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:40 pm to LuckyTiger
Any church that has lesbian women for their clergy is no longer in communion with Jesus Christ. The church has been taken over by demons. Using Christ to push your political agenda has to be one of the slimest things humanly possible.
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