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re: Elon Musk says WFH is morally wrong
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Then you drag everyone down to the level of the worst and least efficient worker
How?
That's what you're talking about.
I'm talking about raising expectations for everyone to the level of the MOST productive employee.
And, you still haven't answered the question I keep asking.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:19 pm to wackatimesthree
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If i expected you to do a volume of work that legit required a 90 hour workweek and wanted to pay you what you currently get paid, what would you tell me?
I would figure out if I could do it in less than 90 to arbitrage the opportunity and base my decision off that.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:20 pm to wackatimesthree
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And, you still haven't answered the question I keep asking.
He never answers any questions. He just continues to ask irrelevant questions that obscure from him answering the question
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:20 pm to wackatimesthree
Deleted due to posts crossing.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:20 pm to wackatimesthree
In the office, I see people arrive at 9am.
I see people leave at 4pm.
I see them talk in the halls.
I see them have pointless meetings.
I see time wasted across the board.
My company continues to grow and prosper. My team is accessible when I need them. They deliver what we need. I don’t need to be in the same room as them to have them create assets for a customer. I don’t need to be in the same room as someone as they calculate costing. I don’t need to be in the room with someone as they review a contract. I don’t need to watch someone enter an order. I don’t need to be in the room with someone talking to a 3PL.
What type of jobs do those of you that hate wfh have, anyway? I’m guessing it’s service oriented?
I see people leave at 4pm.
I see them talk in the halls.
I see them have pointless meetings.
I see time wasted across the board.
My company continues to grow and prosper. My team is accessible when I need them. They deliver what we need. I don’t need to be in the same room as them to have them create assets for a customer. I don’t need to be in the same room as someone as they calculate costing. I don’t need to be in the room with someone as they review a contract. I don’t need to watch someone enter an order. I don’t need to be in the room with someone talking to a 3PL.
What type of jobs do those of you that hate wfh have, anyway? I’m guessing it’s service oriented?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:21 pm to wackatimesthree
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How?
By mandating that standard.
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That's what you're talking about.
No. I understand better workers will get more freedom, but their output is worth it. They're also more likely to make bigger contributions to my company.
You know who else understands this? Elon Musk. He doesn't pay anyone worth a shite in his companies hourly salaries for this reason.
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I'm talking about raising expectations for everyone to the level of the MOST productive employee.
Then everyone other than that employee will fail, and you will have no employees.
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And, you still haven't answered the question I keep asking.
I have. You just don't like it and keep thinking you can ask it again to frame your desired, hourly mindset-based response.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:22 pm to John Barron
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if you are on the clock running groceries and to the gym
What kind job where you could work at home would someone be “on the clock”?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I would figure out if I could do it in less than 90 to arbitrage the opportunity and base my decision off that.
So you would make a decision based on the hours involved.
Which is exactly what I said the employer would do (an obvious truth which you denied).
That's one hell of an hourly mindset you've got there.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:22 pm to Seeker
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I don’t understand why people care so strongly about this.
If people are able to complete their work from home and their place of employment allows it TFB.
If it doesn’t directly affect you, mind your business.
Because if they can't work from home they don't want anyone else to be able to.
I've been 95% WFH since 2020. I think probably a hybrid system (80/20 remote/in office) works best because there is some benefit to in-person collaboration. But I actually get much less work done in-office now because my home setup is optimized so well.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:23 pm to wackatimesthree
More people, less productivity. The WFH Nightmare
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:23 pm to wackatimesthree
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But it basically indicates that you are getting those results working half time.
And that is exactly the point Musk is making.
If someone can get X results working 4 hours a day, then they can either get 2X results working 8 hours, OR a full time position is not necessary for what the company needs done.
So if they currently have 8 positions of that type, they know that they really only need 4 to get the results they need.
Once again if I was getting paid hourly, I totally get this mindset.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:23 pm to concrete_tiger
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What type of jobs do those of you that hate wfh have, anyway? I’m guessing it’s service oriented?
And likely hourly-based.
I can give an easy example of why this mindset is so inefficient.
Say you need some widget of a service done for your company. You get bids from providers. Assume all output is equal from the vendors (the equivalent of finishing work). Would you reject the lowest bid if you found out he could do it in an hour, if you knew the other bidders (who based their bid on expected hourly work involved) would take 10 hours? Or would you accept the best bid for the same work regardless of the time involved?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I have.
You hadn't when I posted that, which I suspect you know.
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to frame your desired, hourly mindset-based response.
I think you've been adequately exposed as arguing bullshite and getting skewered by your own arguments.
My work here is done.
I'm going to watch the Auburn basketball game.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:25 pm to NIH
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Why would Elon be able to affect wfh for private companies?
At most only for govt workers. We contractors can work from home as long as we want. My office is only 15 min. away. I wouldn't mind coming in but we would never get anything done. Development requires quite a number of hours of in-flow time. Being in an office completely defeats that.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:25 pm to wackatimesthree
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So you would make a decision based on the hours involved.
You created that paradigm. I'm answering based only on your framing.
I answered in a way that your hourly mindset would understand (since you're having so much trouble seeing outside of that faulty logic).
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:25 pm to wackatimesthree
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I think you've been adequately exposed as arguing bullshite and getting skewered by your own arguments.
Nope.
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My work here is done.
White flag.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:27 pm to theballguy
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think you've been adequately exposed as arguing bullshite and getting skewered by your own arguments.
Nope.
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My work here is done.
White flag.
Right?
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