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re: Elon Musk says WFH is morally wrong
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:03 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:03 pm to wackatimesthree
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:07 pm to gaetti15
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:07 pm to gaetti15
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Well that's just like an opinion man.
It is, but it's a pretty obvious conclusion.
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you obviously do a job that requires you to be in the office to be productive.
I'm retired. But I had employees and most of the positions I had needed to be in office. But there were a couple that didn't. Those employees always wanted to work from home, and/or work on their own schedule, come and go as they saw fit, etc. and every time we tried it their productivity went down.
And I'm not talking about a little bit, either.
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Tell me you were supervised by a micromanager or are a micromanager.
You can keep posting that with your emoji and every time you do I think of the pot smokers who will never admit that their driving skills do not improve when high.
It's all you've got. You might as well post, "I know you are but what am I?"
Someone give it a shot. if not you, someone.
If the point of working from home is NOT to be able to screw off whenever you feel like it, why the passionate defense of it?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:07 pm to John Barron
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on the clock
It’s obvious a lot of you work hourly jobs and can’t conceive of office life.
Important people have deliverables with dates and have measurable, meaningful output. If you have non of those, you probably aren’t a candidate for WFH, or maybe employment in general.
Just because it’s not right for you, doesn’t mean it’s not right for anyone.
Do you use a corded landline phone for all your calls? Do you mail checks to pay bills? Do you get the newspaper to see who won the game?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:08 pm to gaetti15
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:08 pm to wackatimesthree
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The assumption is that the inefficiencies are (much) better addressed when someone knows what people are doing
If you have an hourly mindset and, due to this, output, sure.
But we're discussing output.
If you'd join that conversation, then the "knowing what someone is doing" doesn't require a constant observation and you can look at work product/output alone.
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If you leave the office from 10-2 every day, someone is eventually going to notice
If you get your work done, and you're salaried, noticing this means nothing.
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It doesn't require "micromanagement" to see that.
It requires micromanagement to care
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No one said that, Einstein.
That's the backbone of your argument.
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How much more of your legitimate work could you do every day if you weren't posting here like you do?
If I waste time (which isn't always being on this board) I work at night or go in on Saturday/Sunday. I am always on top of what my tasks/timelines are.
I don't miss many deadlines (I am human) and I'm regarded as being well prepared compared to most of my peers.
Hell, I'm even developing my own custom intake, CRM and LPM solutions to even further increase my efficiency.
I staunchly reject the hourly mindset and take very few hourly-based cases for this reason.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:10 pm to gaetti15
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If you are salary this doesn't matter as long as you get results on time.
But it basically indicates that you are getting those results working half time.
And that is exactly the point Musk is making.
If someone can get X results working 4 hours a day, then they can either get 2X results working 8 hours, OR a full time position is not necessary for what the company needs done.
So if they currently have 8 positions of that type, they know that they really only need 4 to get the results they need.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:10 pm to wackatimesthree
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If the point of working from home is NOT to be able to screw off whenever you feel like it, why the passionate defense of it?
Correct, they are fraudsters and they know it. Trump and Elon will end this WFH fraud
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:10 pm to wackatimesthree
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Yes I did.
No you said
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The question is whether you'd be able to do more work
and
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And I said the question is whether he'd be more efficient and therefore set a greater benchmark for the amount of work he was expected to do
You're not talking the worker doing all of his work. You're talking about the worker getting MORE work (ultimately for being efficient and not needing the whole day to accomplish his tasks)
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If you get your work done, and you're salaried, noticing this means nothing.
Of course it does.
See above.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You're talking about the worker getting MORE work (ultimately for being efficient and not needing the whole day to accomplish his tasks)
No I'm not, idiot.
I'm talking about every worker of that type being expected to do more.
There's no discrimination involved.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If you'd join that conversation, then the "knowing what someone is doing" doesn't require a constant observation and you can look at work product/output alone.
Here's exactly why that position is BS.
If I made that argument to you as the company owner when the amount of work I expected you to do required 90 hours per week instead of 20, what would you tell me?
Be honest.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:14 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Hourly mindset
But it basically indicates that you are getting those results working half time.
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If someone can get X results working 4 hours a day, then they can either get 2X results working 8 hours,
Again, hourly mindset
I guarantee you that the top earners for Elon Musk don't work hourly salaries. Hell, their salaries are low for industry standards IIRC. Their payment is via stock options.
If this hourly mindset was so great then why doesn't he recruit hourly employees?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:15 pm to wackatimesthree
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Of course it does.
Only for the hourly mindset
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hourly mindset
Answer the question I asked you.
If i expected you to do a volume of work that legit required a 90 hour workweek and wanted to pay you what you currently get paid, what would you tell me?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:15 pm to wackatimesthree
You noticed all these WFH fraudsters never bring any facts. They are just like the left with this topic, muh my feelings 
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:16 pm to wackatimesthree
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I'm talking about every worker of that type being expected to do more.
Then you drag everyone down to the level of the worst and least efficient worker
That is not logical
That's the mindset of a union
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:17 pm
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