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re: Elon Musk says WFH is morally wrong

Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:47 pm to
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So there is definitely a personal benefit to this mindset as well.


Yep I prefer it because at least I can use my mind rather than being focused in on my day to day tasks which are almost rather monotonous because of how efficient I have made them

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This is opposed to the hourly mindset where your primary concern is looking busy enough so people see you looking busy. This is really big in Japan.


That's actually a really apt comparison.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:52 pm to
Looks like Trump and Elon have collaborated with Bezos on the WFH. Probably why Bezos made WAPO without the Kamala endorsement.

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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:53 pm to
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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:56 pm to
Clay Travis is on board with cracking the whip on these WFH fraudsters. Democracy has never smelled this good.

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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:57 pm to
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John Barron

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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:57 pm to
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Yep I prefer it because at least I can use my mind rather than being focused in on my day to day tasks which are almost rather monotonous because of how efficient I have made them

Yeah I've made it a point to really ramp up both reporting and efficiency this year. Luckily my current paralegal/assistant is smart (31 on the ACT) and can give legit input/criticism of the intake/CRM pipeline I'm trying to build.

I struggle to choose where I want to go now and what's the best use of my time in terms of productivity. From learning Spanish to updating my website to using Google Appsheet to actually build an integrated intake/CRM/LPM/form builder....I don't know where to go. I plan on taking time to think about this over Christmas.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:59 pm to
The face you make when you tell all your employees to return to the office 5 days a week or you are fired


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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:00 pm to
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John Barron

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That's 100 posts you've made today. Between here and doom scrolling X there is no way you work, from home or otherwise. You seem to have no life whatsoever.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:04 pm to
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That's 100 posts you've made today. Between here and doom scrolling X there is no way you work, from home or otherwise. You seem to have no life whatsoever.


You are so retarded that you failed to read that I only work 3 days a week. Imagine doing all that work to prove you are a retard.



Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:04 pm to
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Between here and doom scrolling X there is no way you work, from home or otherwise. You seem to have no life whatsoever.




I figured that's what you were counting down.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:05 pm to
Funny enough I was "working" in terms of an hourly employee all day but was hardly productive at all. So at least I had an excuse (today)
Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:06 pm to
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Funny enough I was "working" in terms of an hourly employee all day but was hardly productive at all. So at least I had an excuse (today)


Yeah that was me this morning. Then meetings all afternoon ha.

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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:09 pm to
5 days a week is really going to piss off the WFH fraudsters

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Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:09 pm to
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Explain why? Seriously? Do you not think there is massive inefficiency going on now with all this BS


That has nothing to do with what Elon said.

And let’s not pretend that there isn’t waste and inefficiency in the office setting.

But to say it’s “morally wrong” is ridiculous.

There is nothing moral or immoral about it.

If that’s the arrangement that the employer and employee agree on and the work gets done, who cares weather it’s in an office or from home?

If it is a job primarily done on computer or something like that, why does it have to be in an office? One can argue that overhead costs are less and it is more cost efficient when people work from home and the company doesn’t need rent as much office space.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:11 pm to
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You are so retarded that you failed to read that I only work 3 days a week. Imagine doing all that work to prove you are a retard.

And look how efficiently you proved it on a day that you are working on it from home
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:12 pm to
I was stuck in court all day, twiddling my thumbs.

I got a felony arraignment and felony continuance done very quickly, and then had a custody hearing at 130...but otherwise I was stuck just sitting there doing shite.

7.5 hours of "work" but probably sub 2 hours of productivity.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:12 pm to
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Incorrect, if you are on the clock running groceries and to the gym. I don't care if it's private or federal, it has to be elimi


That’s a different argument than saying working from home is “immoral “
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:13 pm to
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That’s a different argument than saying working from home is “immoral “


It's also a different discussion than one about salaried employees "working from home"

In fact, he tried to cite an example of this WFH fraud and had to rely on one of an hourly employee who left the workplace.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:16 pm to
And all the agreements he's getting by people saying that that's true with government employees and that's never been the point he was arguing

But he feels exposed on this one as if the tide is against him so he's desperately trying to stay popular
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:17 pm to
Since we started a new page, I'll just repost this

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Say you need some widget of a service done for your company. You get bids from providers. Assume all output is equal from the vendors (the equivalent of finishing work). Would you reject the lowest bid if you found out he could do it in an hour, if you knew the other bidders (who based their bid on expected hourly work involved) would take 10 hours? Or would you accept the best bid for the same work regardless of the time involved?
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