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re: Elon Musk says WFH is morally wrong

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Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:27 pm to
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Correct, they are fraudsters and they know it. Trump and Elon will end this WFH fraud



It's actually going to grow as more jobs become right-brained instead of left-brained. Not that right-brain is better all the time ... it's just the direction humanity is moving.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted by RBWilliams8
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:29 pm to
I Iike Elon but disagree here.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:29 pm to
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:30 pm to
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Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:30 pm to
Who da fook is that guy.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:31 pm to
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:32 pm to
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:32 pm to
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Right?


Notice how they won't touch the fact that Elon doesn't pay people hourly. I wonder why

And, again, this isn't my theory. I didn't come up with this.

The Planet Money episode Hard Work is Irrelevant, based on Patty McCord's book, illuminated me to the concept. Like I had always operated this way but this drove home the full view.

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Most companies reward hard work. This is why people get paid overtime, and why full-time workers make more than part-time ones.

But, if you think about it, hard work alone says nothing about how much value you create. You could be toiling day and night, and be mostly useless to your employer. To your employer's bottom line, what really matters isn't how much you put in, but what you deliver.

There's one company that takes this idea to its logical conclusion: Netflix. It's run like a sports team. Whether you're yesterday's hire or one of the first employees, you're out the minute you stop justifying your presence.


It's not about "working hard" or putting in more hours. It's about producing. Coffee is for closers, not the guys wasting hours calling Patels.

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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:33 pm to
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John Barron


All of those examples from Charlie Kirk is legit.

Trump does all 15 of those things then WFH is not even an issue with government employees anymore
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:36 pm to
The Private sector will also be dealt with.

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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:37 pm to
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Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:37 pm to
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It's not about "working hard" or putting in more hours. It's about producing. Coffee is for closers, not the guys wasting hours calling Patels.


The way I look at it is the faster and more efficient I can get my work done (deliverables on schedule), then that leaves me more time to innovate and be proactive about potential future issues.

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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:41 pm to
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:42 pm to
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:42 pm to
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The way I look at it is the faster and more efficient I can get my work done (deliverables on schedule), then that leaves me more time to innovate and be proactive about potential future issues.


Correct. Sometimes this will benefit you, but often (especially in a healthy, collaborative effort and not people focused on hours worked) it will benefit your employer, too. If you figure out efficiencies and others see them, they will adopt not only your efficiencies but also the culture of that mindset.

I was watching a video about tiers of certain online income streams, and the particular video I watched did a good job of explaining how the C-tier efforts can build knowledge/skills/output that will help you in the B-tier efforts, snowballing up to S-tier. So there is definitely a personal benefit to this mindset as well.

This is opposed to the hourly mindset where your primary concern is looking busy enough so people see you looking busy. This is really big in Japan.
Posted by jcaz
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:43 pm to
Elon Elon Elon
I love you man but no.

If you are building rockets or cars in a factory, yes you need to be there.

If you are in IT or finance, you probably don’t need to be at a physical office running spreadsheets.
There is actually some efficiency to WFH for many companies. Less office space and less people on the roads. I don’t get the boomer mindset of anti-WFH for the proper applications.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:44 pm to
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He believes organization has too many managers and processes from recent growth.

And wants to “operate the world’s largest startup” and having more individual contributors working more closely together is the way to make that happen

Jassy references Bezos’ idea of one-way door vs. two-way door decisions: the former can’t be walked back while the latter can (and Amazon is at a stage in which more decisions can be quickly made and changed again if it doesn’t work out).

Also created a “bureaucracy mailbox” for employees to send examples of unnecessary or onerous processes.


See Amazon isn't promoting the hourly mindset, either.

This is straight up efficiency hunting.
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