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re: Early Irish people were dark skinned with blue eyes.

Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:12 pm to
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nyone who wants bagpipes can have them


Gotta have drums too. It's one of the things that keeps me up way too late is watching the Black Watch, etc., do a parade.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:14 pm to
Here's how they did it:

They have dug up skeletons from all time periods and extracted DNA. This has allowed them to track genetic changes over the millennia.

The issue is that determining skin/hair/eye color from DNA can only give you probabilities. Sometimes the probabilities are pretty high, but usually not 100%. But with numerous samples I imagine it might approach 100%.

I have no doubt that early Europeans were darker skinned, but I doubt they were black. They likely had the coloring of a guy from Egypt or somewhere in that region.

And, yes, farmers from Anatolia replaced most of the native Europeans starting about 10,000 years ago (depending on where in Europe we're talking). These people would have looked very similar to modern Sardinians (they know this because modern Sardinians have had very little admixture since that time).

Then about 5,000 years ago, the Indo-European people came from Russia/Ukraine and replaced pretty much everyone in Northern Europe (and did so in just a few hundred years). These people were taller and blonder than the natives and gave northern Europe the coloring it has today.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:26 pm to
Whoa! The Chinese are too busy covering up white people being the indigenous peoples to China!

LINK

Link is to owlcation.com
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 11:28 pm
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:29 pm to
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They likely had the coloring of a guy from Egypt or somewhere in that region


Can you help me understand how Mediterranean "color" is different from Libya to Morocco to Sicily to Turkey to Rome (I don't think it is?) Never mind that the climate is the same, but slaves, etc., were shipped all over the region.

If the Rus just showed up 5k years ago, where did they even come from? I'm being an a-hole, but everyone came from Africa, so the Rus/Slavs are just returning to their roots, right? But we still have differences between Rus, Slavs, Irish, and English, even though they're all "white."

I dislike reporters giving simple answers to questions that demand one thesis after another, I guess.
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:55 pm to
Amazinggggggg
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:16 am to
I noticed Mongolian people are taller and bigger than the folks in China. Some look European.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:23 am to
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I noticed Mongolian people are taller and bigger than the folks in China. Some look European.


Hunter gatherer populations are taller than farming peoples. I assume that’s why.
Posted by Chrome
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:41 am to
Glad to see Netflix was able to reach back that far.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:24 am to
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I can't wait to hear about how the Vikings were dark skinned too.


That's already been proposed and shown on TV.. And since the Vikings were in Ireland and Scotland... That's been a news media, show media theme...I don't care but real archeology has been replaced by ideology and idolatry.
Posted by Tall Tiger
Dixie
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:01 am to
The red hair and light skin came from Viking invaders. Not native to Ireland.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:00 am to
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Also, what did the Romans write of them?


This is way before the Romans.



This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 4:57 am
Posted by RobbBobb
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:13 am to
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Early Irish people were dark skinned

DEI doing work
Posted by BHS78
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:16 am to
So white skin is Progression
Posted by Saunson69
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:57 am to
I don't think they looked like that at all. There is a very clear distinction between distance from equator and lighter pale skin. Ireland is very distant from the equator.
Posted by Nikki_T
Portola Valley
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:57 am to
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There are some interesting Rabbit Holes and books regarding ancient Irish History.


This was an interesting read.






Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42633 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:06 am to
But what indigenous group did they displace when they got there??

damned colonizers.
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:12 am to
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There are large populations in Northern Europe with light eyes, and tan well.


When I gave my DNA to the Chinese (23&Me before I knew this), I came back as 98% British Isles/City of London and I tan very dark and have light blue eyes. I also really like fried chicken, watermelon and I’ve had Olde English 800 before so do with that what you will.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:11 am to
Yeah, but could they jump really high, run really fast, and have really good rhythm?…
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:16 am to
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Sardinians


Some of them do have blue eyes. Interesting….



This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 6:18 am
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32096 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:17 am to
The Netflix adaption of Ireland’s history will be cast entirely by black actors.
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