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re: Does Trump deserve any blame for the 2020 election outcome?

Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9070 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:57 pm to
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So there was nothing the President of the United States could do?



He didn't cheat. The responsibility for fraud is on the cheaters themselves.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:57 pm to
Yes.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29473 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:58 pm to
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Again, the legislation was weaponized by congress. He couldn’t veto it because of some small things in it. He would have been crucified over the virus response



Moar excuses

Funny how Trump alone has all these magic powers to drain the swamp, fix the mess, etc.

Until he doesn't

Then the low energy excuses start rolling in
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29473 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:58 pm to
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Not sure what you think a sitting President can do about how each state conducts their elections,


Maybe not funding it
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4754 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:59 pm to
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This. It was kind of lose-lose situation considering the virus being released on the world.

I mean he was called a monster fighting back anything that was proposed in the name of Covid-19.

There is no way the election shenanigans would have been capable without the virus occurring and his opponents weaponizing it.

There was nothing wrong with the thought that we may need money to help with the election process. We did not need to rapidly and haphazardly change the entire process though.


Wow...so much for the Proven Warrior theory. I don't think anyone holds Trump accountable for early actions in the beginning of COVID, but he allowed it to metastasize into a humongous cancerous tumor. That's on Trump.

In addition, while we were discussing, on this forum, Marc Elias bringing over 50 lawsuits around the country that unconstitutionally changed election laws, where was Trump? As the head of the Republican Party, why didn't Trump challenge any of this? I mean, we all saw, in real time what was happening, and all Trump did was bitch about it on social media.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57012 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:00 pm to
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He didn't cheat. The responsibility for fraud is on the cheaters themselves.


So how is a candidate going to do something about the fraud, if POTUS can do nothing?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:00 pm to
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Maybe not funding it


Go back to 5th grade and learn how the government works, zippy.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128036 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:02 pm to
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Is that the reason he received more (legal) votes for president than any human in the history of the country, and probably many more than that since the marxists were also cooking the voting machines?


I know you guys think this is a point, but it isn't.

Biden's alleged 81 million votes would rank 30th when adjusted for Population and Turnout.

30th.
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
16934 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:03 pm to
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Congress did


Trump pushed congress for the bill.

quote:

OUR GREAT USA WANTS & NEEDS STIMULUS. WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE. Thank you!


One of several tweets
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23390 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:04 pm to
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but he allowed it to metastasize into a humongous cancerous tumor. That's on Trump.


Easy to Monday Morning QB the issue.

The one thing I will say is why are we debating this bs instead of constantly focused on the fact the virus was created and accidentally released in the first place.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62109 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:07 pm to
It must be nice to pretend there was no election fraud in one breath and then blame Trump for it in another.

Desantis supporters have devolved into a “say anything” strategy to try and move the needle.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154720 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:07 pm to
None. He’s perfect.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128036 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:09 pm to
"TRUMP WILL GO SCORCHED EARTH AND DRAIN THIS SWAMP"

"ALSO THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT ANYTHING"
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
16934 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:11 pm to
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It must be nice to pretend there was no election fraud in one breath and then blame Trump for it in another.


He was the sitting President and was warning the election was going to be full of fraud as early as May 2020. Did he actually do anything ahead of the election or in the almost 3 years since then?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128036 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:11 pm to
No, he directly funded it
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9070 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:12 pm to
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So how is a candidate going to do something about the fraud, if POTUS can do nothing?


That seems to be the million dollar question, doesn't it?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128036 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:13 pm to
There is one candidate that is spending a tremendous amount of money currently on ground game, ballot harvesting network, get out the vote teams, mail in awareness etc.

I think you can guess who that candidate is.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154720 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:15 pm to
I’m still wondering what he can do to go scorched earth.

What will the revenge tour entail and how will he stop the left from “resisting” like last time.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62609 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:16 pm to
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"TRUMP WILL GO SCORCHED EARTH AND DRAIN THIS SWAMP"

"ALSO THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT ANYTHING"
My biggest question mark is that Trump did nothing since 2020. Remember all those rallies he held before he even declared he was running? What if he held those rallies to improve election security? What if he organized local election volunteers to elect pro-security candidates. Instead we got some childish tweets about how he was robbed of a certain victory. It's a poor substitute for actually doing something.

Un-ironically, he fits in perfect with the GOPE. Lots of "I'll get them next time". Not much do something.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22746 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:18 pm to
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Yes, 100%. He underestimated how much ballot harvesting would matter and didn't do the same. That alone cost him. He didn't adapt to the VERY new voting rules (as a result of the covid scam).


He thought he was going to win. Why do any other work?
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