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re: Does anyone believe Charlie kirk was shot with a 30.06?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:39 pm to beaux duke
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:39 pm to beaux duke
quote:.
i'd find it hard to believe the fbi didn't find the bullet
This isn’t directed at you but others.
If the bullet wasn’t recovered it had to exit.
It didn’t come out of the entrance wound.
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:45 pm to HubbaBubba
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Wasn't the bullet ricochetted off his bullet proof vest, which would greatly alter the kinetic energy of that shot?
No.
The most likely explanation is that the bullet was a soft point or frangible match style bullet that struck his spinal column at very high velocity and fragmented, or it exited. There's no angle that clearly shows whether or not the bullet exitied. His shirt moved both from the shock wave of the bullet passing very close to it and the violent reactions of his body after the impact.
Again, everything that is the "official" story tracks very well with the video evidence and there's no reason to believe anything else.
Again, the man was shot in the neck with a centerfire rifle at close range. A lot of extreme trauma and instantaneous incapacitation are what happened, clearly evident in the video. There is NOTHING suspicious about the official story as it pertains to the weapon or the shot itself.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:48 pm to auggie
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won't be a large exit wound.
There was no exit wound
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:49 pm to Schleynole
Don’t think anyone has asked this.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:56 pm to retired_tiger
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Get a revolver for your first handgun. And don't get a hand cannon, find something that does not have much recoil. Perhaps shoot .38s out of a .357.
Thank you so much
a pink .22 seems like just the ticket
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:57 pm to Gus007
quote:Hell, I've seen rumor that no post was even done. I guess we'll see at trial.
Then why not show the slug?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:01 pm to Pettifogger
A .22 is a deadly weapon. Of course it does not have the knock down power of the larger calibers, but a .22 bullet can ricochet around inside a body and cause massive injuries.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:05 pm to Schleynole
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There was no exit wound
You've seen the autopsy?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
ou've seen the autopsy?
That comes from TPUSA, idk why they would lie about that
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:12 pm to Schleynole
Ok, cool. So there was no exit. That provides no arguable point that he was not shot in the neck with a .30-06 at short range.
As I said earlier, I've shot deer in the neck with elk bullets from a .30-06 at short range and even almost contact range without an exit. It's not unheard of or even all that unusual.
As I said earlier, I've shot deer in the neck with elk bullets from a .30-06 at short range and even almost contact range without an exit. It's not unheard of or even all that unusual.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Never watched the video. Don't want to.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:15 pm to Schleynole
quote:
There was no exit wound
That you know of.
What's your source for that information?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Also, you can get 30-06 loaded lightly with 125 grain soft points.
That will reduce penetration and the chance of pass through.
That will reduce penetration and the chance of pass through.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:21 pm to Clyde Tipton
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For instance, if the shooter used a soft point deer round, you'd expect a lot more damage than what happened, it's designed to do that. But a FMJ target round would just pass straight through and not expand causing less damage.
Which means it certainly wouldn't be "trapped under the skin" for the coroner to find. How convenient??!
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:23 pm to llfshoals
Whatever you posted is not loading for me.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:26 pm to Schleynole
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Go buy or borrow a 30.06 and shoot something with it. Then you'll know he wasn't
So, your argument is that a 30.06 bullet will always act the same regardless of any differences in manufacturing or physics?
That's going to be a tough sale.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:32 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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even all that unusual.
Sure. Set it up and prove it. Let's put money on it. I'll set it up, I'll shoot 10 rounds and we can bet any amount of money you want to put on it that all ten go through.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:34 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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So, your argument is that a 30.06 bullet will always act the same regardless of any differences in manufacturing or physics?
No, my argument is a 30.06 from 140 out is going through the neck. More than likely the kid used a fmj which would 100 percent of the time go through
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:36 pm to TrueTiger
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Also, you can get 30-06 loaded lightly with 125 grain soft points.
That will reduce penetration and the chance of pass through.
Technically you can, sure, but that is by far the least available option, and it certainly wouldn't reduce the chances to the extent that we saw of not getting a clean pass through.
If you're shooting a 30-06 it is extremely likely that it is 165g or 180g. If there is one box of 30-06 ammo on the shelf in that Mom & Pop it is most likely 180g Federal Powershok or Remington Core-lokt.
Here is a youtube video showing a 180 30-06 round traveling through 2 pieces of wood, 3 cutting boards, and 16" of ballistics gel at 200 yards.
Does this amount of violence in the Charlie Kirk shooting look anywhere near this?
Not directing this at you, more towards the spirit of the thread.
People will bias confirm there way into believing bullshite because they want to trust the source that is feeding them the info. We all WANT to trust the FBI and believe that they have our best interest at heart when they rarely do.
There is no way in hell Charlie Kirk was shot with a 30-06.
The only question is what was he actually shot with, from where, and by whom? Things that a crime scene can typically lend clues towards, yet they were concreting over that crime scene in just a few days.
Hmmmmm. Before we can even ask the "why", we need honest and real answers to what, where, and who first.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 1:36 pm to Schleynole
1) No. I don't make real bets with idiots on the internet
2) How are you going to set it up? Do you know what bullet was used? What the velocity was? What the impact angle was? How hydrated CK was when he was shot? How do you intend to exactly replicate the conditions of the shot?
I know more about terminal ballistics than you do. You don't have the knowledge of it to set up this test in the first place much less comment on the predicted results.
ETA: I set you up with an easy rebuttal in my comment earlier and you totally missed it, because you don't understand how terminal ballistics work at all.
2) How are you going to set it up? Do you know what bullet was used? What the velocity was? What the impact angle was? How hydrated CK was when he was shot? How do you intend to exactly replicate the conditions of the shot?
I know more about terminal ballistics than you do. You don't have the knowledge of it to set up this test in the first place much less comment on the predicted results.
ETA: I set you up with an easy rebuttal in my comment earlier and you totally missed it, because you don't understand how terminal ballistics work at all.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 1:38 pm
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