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re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites

Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:11 pm to
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Jews came from Isaac and the Arabs came from Ishmael, two brothers and sons of Abraham.



That's the common belief among protestant Christians but in truth no one knows. It is beyond obvious that if you go to the middle east and see an Israelite and someone from Saudi Arabia, they don't look any different.

Jews who originally came from Russia or Eastern Europe, that's another story.
Posted by Augustus516
Member since Oct 2024
355 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:18 pm to
I’d like to speak for myself: I believe the entire Bible, new and old. Unfortunately, the Jewish nation as a whole rejected Christ. They should have known better than anyone that the Law was a tutor leading to Christ, a shadow of the things to come.

Once Christ arrived, he established Christianity, made the necessary sacrifice to redeem us from a course of sin and death, to reconciliation with God and life. What Adam lost and what we inherited (sin and death) was bought back by the ransom paid, by Jesus, God’s son.

So many scriptures, but Romans 10:4, and the entire book of Hebrews was aimed specifically at Jews to come to this realization. Many of them did, but as a whole, they rejected Jesus
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:22 pm to
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A quick, authoritative read is Elaine Pagel's "The Gnostic Gospels." FWIW, I now view my "Gnostic phase," as a serious departure into heresy. The Spirit moves in mysterious ways. Maybe that phase was necessary to get me where I am.


I’ve had this thought that the gnostic view of the world with a demiurge that controls the world and subverts us from the true path is an interesting parallel to modern conspiracy theories.
Posted by deltadummy
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:23 pm to
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What do scientists call Abraham? Jew, Canaanite, or Sumerian?


And how do you incorporate a stance against pork into your religion with that name?



Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2477 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:32 pm to
Followed. Snag here, but maybe this was anecdotal "evidence" of "stuff that's not in the Bible":

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And of course, since we are all in on the trinity, Mary, a humble servant of God, privileged to give birth to his son miraculously…is now ‘the mother of God’.


Of course God has no "mother" and has always been Eternal. Mary was the earthy vessel of Jesus the Man.

Bottom line: "Trinity" need not be mentioned specifically in order to note Scriptural / Divine note and acknowledgement of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
62980 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:34 pm to
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I think its interesting that Jews were monotheistic, worshipping one God. Even the first of the Ten commandments basically said that they should have no other gods before His face.
They weren't monotheistic until around the 7th century BC during their wars with the Assyrians.
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Why? Because they just came out of Egypt
Zero archeological evidence to back this up.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:34 pm to
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Isn't it ironic that these two groups who hate each other so much share common ancestry

No. See the Bushmen and the Bantu.

Mankind is a violent and tribalistic breed of animal. There is inherently no one we hate more than ourselves.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
125956 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:34 pm to
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Canaanite religion is from Abraham? They were polytheistic, no?
Correct. But just let the thread do its thing.
Posted by Augustus516
Member since Oct 2024
355 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:38 pm to
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They say this as if it's a big deal like if I gave my son. It's framed in human terms. But there's nothing human about it. He knows how it's going to turn out from the start. At least if we accept all of the other beliefs about God. It's not really much of a sacrifice to give up your son that you know you're not really giving up from the very beginning because you have all the power


That is a valid perspective but lets discuss the merits of it. My first reaction is to the sacrifice itself. Jesus, was not just any Son of God. Because he is referred to as ‘the Only Begotten’, it means that he was directly created by God, the first of God’s creations. John chapter 1 calls him the ‘Word’.

So Imagine the first intelligent creation of God, the first thing coming into existence before anything else, tortured, insulted, and dying an agonizing death…and God watched it happen. I would argue that all creation suffered a shock whether they knew it or not.

Why did it happen? Because God’s justice is far superior to ours. He told Adam and Eve that sin leads to death. He also said that their offspring (at Genesis 1:27,28 before they sinned, would fill the earth. Their offspring. So it would seem that Satan had won, because he caused them to disobey God, bring death into the world, and God’s purpose for them would not happen.

God did not go back on his word and purpose. He could not destroy Adam and Eve and start over, He is inherently good and true to himself. We imagine an Eternal, All-Powerful Being to do whatever he wants. But he is bound by his own standards set for all Creation. He cannot lie, His Justice is perfect and makes sense. In order for it all to be fulfilled, this was the only way for man to be reconciled back into a relationship with him that would result in everlasting life. The ransom sacrifice, the teaching of it was huge, it had to be paid in order for God’s original purpose to be realized. It also stands to reason that Jesus cannot be a perfect human again, since he willingly gave up that life to offset what Adam lost.

Therein lies the sacrifice.

This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 12:51 pm
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100373 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:45 pm to
Arabs are descendants from Abraham’s bastard son Ishmael whom he conceived with his servant, Hagar

Jews are descendants of his legitimate son Issac who he conceived with Sarah.

Upon Issac’s birth Sarah banished Hagar and Ishmael. The descendants of both have been at war ever since
Posted by Augustus516
Member since Oct 2024
355 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:49 pm to
Basically. And apologies for hijacking the OP’s original discussion. I think any discussion on here that elicits a look at our beliefs and how we got them is worthwhile. Rather than accept what we have believed all our lives, it is nice to discuss them, within the lens of the bible.

For no other reason but Geography, most of us have our beliefs
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44108 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:50 pm to
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Jews came from Isaac and the Arabs came from Ishmael, two brothers and sons of Abraham.


That's the common belief among protestant Christians but in truth no one knows


That's not just Protestants, its in the Catholic Bible, the Quran, and Torah.

The Quran also has numerous references about Abraham, the Quran repeatedly establishes Abraham's role as patriarch and mentions numerous important descendants who came through his lineage, including Isaac, Jacob and Ishmael.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5918 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:52 pm to
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Augustus516


So you say you are an Arian?

You rejected traditional Christianity to follow a cult that's been long dead?

Or you are just Jewish and think that if you are caught out behind this fake persona it will look bad, so you claim to be part of a cult dead 1700 years.

Hmm... Which is more likely...
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Augustus516
Member since Oct 2024
355 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:55 pm to
I don’t even know what you are talking about. Sorry
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
2950 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:56 pm to
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Isn't it ironic that these two groups who hate each other so much share common ancestry


No
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62392 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:56 pm to
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Of course God has no "mother" and has always been Eternal. Mary was the earthy vessel of Jesus the Man.


But in current orthodox Christianity, Jesus is fully God and fully man, so that would make Mary the mother of God.
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62392 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:58 pm to
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Correct. But just let the thread do its thing.


It’s too bad, because the historical discussion is interesting.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5918 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 12:59 pm to
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I don’t even know what you are talking about. Sorry


Ah yes, you walk in, declare everyone wrong about the Bible and a non trinity God, then when getting to chose between if you are Jewish and trolling Christians or a member of the cult that believed it, you feint ignorance pretending to not know of the major group that espoused non trinitarian doctrine besides the Jewish people.

Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2477 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:00 pm to
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Jesus is fully God and fully man, so that would make Mary the mother of God.


Mary (not Divine) can only be the Mother of the "fully man" part of the human Jesus.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38885 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:05 pm to
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