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re: Did you know that Mexico is majority white?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
In other words, the Mexicans seeking to come to the U.S. are often doing so because their opportunity in Mexico is limited as a result of the racism OF Mexicans.
And Fox and Ramos never acknowledge that, instead labeling it as "racist" to oppose migration resulting from the racism of Mexicans like Fox and Ramos.
Gotcha.
And Fox and Ramos never acknowledge that, instead labeling it as "racist" to oppose migration resulting from the racism of Mexicans like Fox and Ramos.
Gotcha.
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Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:19 pm to DeadFish
Basically yes.
Also, it’s failings as a country are never addressed:
Mexico has a large population, natural resources and an excellent geographic location. It is nearly as old as the US. There is no reason for there to even be a need for them to come here.
While Fox is crying racism, why isn’t he asked about his failure as a president. Why is Mexico proud that their people have to leave?
Also, it’s failings as a country are never addressed:
Mexico has a large population, natural resources and an excellent geographic location. It is nearly as old as the US. There is no reason for there to even be a need for them to come here.
While Fox is crying racism, why isn’t he asked about his failure as a president. Why is Mexico proud that their people have to leave?
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:38 am to crazy4lsu
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Yeah I read that portion, but the mestizo distinction exists outside its complicated history in Mexico (or indeed in all of South America). That's what I was referring to, not the governments use of the term to create Mexican identity. Autosomal studies of the lower socioeconomic groups in Mexico have put the admixture percentages at something like 55% Indigenous, 35% European and 10% other, meaning a genetic basis for a distinction could be made, though I think the "mestizo" term is used in a pejorative sense in Mexico.
This is an entirely an aside from the point of the thread. My apologies.
What I do find interesting is that Mexico's population of indigenous peoples make up 35% of the total indigenous population throughout the Americas. It fits in with Spanish colonial history (as Spain would not have been able to colonize Mexico specifically without major help from indigenous groups) but its surprising to see how much of that population remains.
It's a fascinating country if you dig into the history. I've gotten a lot more interested in Mexican history specifically and Latin American history more generally over the past few years. The Spanish really, really fricked that part of the world pretty good.
It seems like a lot of Americans know the general story of the conquistadors and so forth but generally leave Latin American history behind thereafter. Bolivar was probably one of the most important and significant figures in all of world history, yet he barely gets a note in virtually any American history textbook.
Mexico City is pretty damn ethnically European in many places, as are places like Guadalajara and Monterrey. Colombia and Venezuela are the same in many places, as is (obviously - by far the biggest example and the reason why they arrogantly shite upon the rest of Latin America) Argentina. The U.S. is just a variation of a lot of these places, and that we were incredibly fortunate to have the English parliamentary and common law tradition rather than the horrific Spanish absolute rule and hardcore mercantilist system.
A very large chunk of Hispanic kids in the U.S. end up calling themselves white after a generation or two, anyway - probably not that much different than Italians and Greeks were a hundred years ago. It's actually a critical strategic mistake the Dems have made at times, especially in relatively conservative-leaning states with large Hispanic populations (Texas, North Carolina, Georgia, Oklahoma, etc.). They try to pander to them as an "ethnic group" much like party policy is with African-Americans, but it doesn't take nearly as well. It's simple-minded and not a little bit insulting, and I don't think some pieces of the party have realized that the Hispanic vote in the U.S. is much more diverse than they want to believe, and the difference between Hispanic voters in a place like Texas is a hell of a lot different than it is in California or New Mexico. They need to run the Beto O'Rourke's of the world out of the party and get people more attuned to the pulse of the voters.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 3:24 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:no they don't
A very large chunk of Hispanic kids in the U.S. end up calling themselves white after a generation or two, anyway
Posted on 4/30/18 at 5:31 am to VerlanderBEAST
A very large chunk of them are white to begin with.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:00 am to Bjorn Cyborg
i have fished in mexico and this is true....the image of a mexican that americans have is the mexican that has indian heritage....the white mexican is of spanish descent and look nothing like the mexican that you see crossing the border illegally.....they are located more on the southern part of mexico and have some beautiful women
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:06 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Did you know that Mexico is majority white?
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The latest census lists the white population as 47 percent in Mexico
Someone want to break the news to him?
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with another 30 percent claiming Mestizo, which is not a real ethnicity
Is white a "real ethnicity?"
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:16 am to Powerman
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Someone want to break the news to him?
In your zeal to be a smartass, you didn’t fully read my post or the link. Of the people that self-identify as Mestizo, it is believed by Mexican census takers that a large number are White Europeans. That would make whites a considerable majority.
White (or Caucasian) is one of only three (sometimes four) races recognized by science. Mestizo is neither a race nor an ethnicity.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:17 am to Powerman
I must be color blind, the one I see are brown skin, no disrespect intended
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
A review of Mexican presidents over time is as as white as that of the US
And their legislature is about as diverse as the 1960 Republican Party
And their legislature is about as diverse as the 1960 Republican Party
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:26 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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White (or Caucasian) is one of only three (sometimes four) races recognized by science
Race in the context that we're talking about here isn't scientific
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:50 am to Powerman
Ok, European if it makes you feel better.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:56 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Yes, Mexican apartheid is a real thing. This would be like sending all the lower class blacks to Canada, and then us claim racism when they didn’t want them,
Interesting theory. But what is a theory without testing?
Posted on 4/30/18 at 7:52 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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So, the next time any criticism of our neighbors to the South results in charges of racism ... now you know.
Thanks for the PSA. The next time Strannix bitches about Puerto Ricans and their work ethic I’ll be sure to call him a prejudiced moron rather than a racist.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 8:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:And Obama claims to be Black, (despite being of one-half European ancestry) and Elizabeth Warren claims to be Cherokee.
Did you know that Mexico is majority white?
47 percent claim to be white. Another 30 percent claim to be Mestizo.
I said the majority is white. Are you claiming there isn’t at least 4 percent white among the Mestizo? This doesn’t even include the Arab population, who are also white.
Do about half of Mexicans self-identify as White? Maybe so, but probably 3/4 of the self-identifying Whites have significant Indigenous ancestry.
You are redefining terms to suit your silly little narrative.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 8:54 am
Posted on 4/30/18 at 8:25 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:My best friend (from San Luis, MX) is 1/4 indigenous. He looks as White as I do, but he is mestizo, by definition. He will tell you (loudly, when intoxicated) that he is Aztec.
Like we heard from Vincent Fox, who is white.
Like we heard from Jorge Ramos, who is white.
Fox is 7/8 European and 1/8 Indigenous.
I cannot find data on Ramos, but I would guess that he is about the same.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 8:30 am to DeadFish
quote:I hate to admit this (since the OP’s numbers were so very wrong), but this is fairly accurate. Mexico is very stratified. The Whites look down on the mestizos, and the mestizos look down on the Indios.
In other words, the Mexicans seeking to come to the U.S. are often doing so because their opportunity in Mexico is limited as a result of the racism OF Mexicans.
And Fox and Ramos never acknowledge that, instead labeling it as "racist" to oppose migration resulting from the racism of Mexicans like Fox and Ramos.
Gotcha.
I have known and worked with hundreds of Mexican “guest workers” over the last 40 years or so. The vast majority were mestizo, and a few were clearly Indio. None were clearly European.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 8:52 am
Posted on 4/30/18 at 8:40 am to VerlanderBEAST
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quote:
A very large chunk of Hispanic kids in the U.S. end up calling themselves white after a generation or two, anyway
no they don't
Yes, they do. Demographers have been documenting this for a while.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 8:54 am
Posted on 4/30/18 at 8:49 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Depends on how you define white. Mexico is genetically diverse, even before you consider Spanish colonization. From a DNA study of Mexico:
Why aren't we talking about the blatant racism in Mexico?
In any case you're not gonna find many white people in Mexico that aren't mixed. There may be a few, but they certainly aren't the ones migrating.
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An autosomal study performed in Mestizos from Mexico's three largest cities reported that Mestizos from Mexico city had an average ancestry of 50% European, 1% African and 49% Amerindian whereas Mestizos from the cities of Monterrey and Guadalajara had both a European ancestry of 60% and an indigenous ancestry of 40% in average.[98]
An autosomal study performed in Mexicans from the states of Nuevo Leon, Zacatecas and San Luis Potosi found the average indigenous ancestry to be 22% while 78% of the genetic ancestry was of Spanish/European origin.[99]
An autosomal study performed in Mexico City reported that Mexican mestizos' mean ancestry was 57% European, 40% Amerindian and 3% African.[100]
Additional studies suggests a tendency relating a higher European admixture with a higher socioeconomic status and a higher Amerindian ancestry with a lower socioeconomic status: a study made exclusively on low income Mestizos residing in Mexico City found the mean admixture to be 0.590, 0.348, and 0.062 for Amerindian, European and African respectively whereas the European admixture increased to an average of around 70% on mestizos belonging to a higher socioeconomical level.[101]
Why aren't we talking about the blatant racism in Mexico?
In any case you're not gonna find many white people in Mexico that aren't mixed. There may be a few, but they certainly aren't the ones migrating.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:21 am to AggieHank86
Self reporting is the only system we have. It’s what we use in the US as well.
Few are genetically pure of any race anyway, which makes the whole concept ridiculous, which is kind of my point.
Seems you are suggesting people should be forced to identify a certain way.
Few are genetically pure of any race anyway, which makes the whole concept ridiculous, which is kind of my point.
Seems you are suggesting people should be forced to identify a certain way.
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