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re: Did you know that Mexico is majority white?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:57 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:57 pm to crazy4lsu
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Since the Mestizo identity promoted by the government is more of a cultural identity than a biological one it has achieved a strong influence in the country, with a good number of biologically white people identifying with it, leading to being considered Mestizos in Mexico's demographic investigations and censuses due the ethnic criteria having its base on cultural traits rather than biological ones.[73]
From same link. Basically they wanted to have a “Mexican” ethnicity and anyone that wants to claim it can. But it’s not based on any actual genetic data.
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Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:58 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I need to see a picture of what the average "white" Mexican looks like
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I don’t have any school age children. A friend of mine that has children in catholic school and in the Tangipahoa school system told me that Wiki is not allowed to be used as reference. I will say that some of it’s articles appear to be written by five year olds. I certainly would not use it as a reference guide.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:00 pm to Zap Rowsdower
There are photos in the link in OP as well.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Remember that when you hear charges of racism regarding comments or actions towards these places.
If a white guy hates the Swiss because he incorrectly thinks Swiss people are black, that's racism regardless of what race Swiss people actually are. Because it is still antipathy towards race.
It is unquestionable that antipathy in regard to 'Mexicans' is often of a racial nature / in part motivated by skin-color. Thus the comments such as "dirty brown Mexicans". And "sh*t-skin Mexicans".
Muslim is not a race and there are whites who are Muslim. But that doesn't dictate that antipathy towards Muslim is never of a racial nature, never motivated by the stereotype OF a "Muslim".
How you failed to know this, I'll never know. It wasn't that hard.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Your assertion is nonsense. The fact is that the vast majority of Mexicans have ancestry that is a mix of indigenous and European (mestizo). I have traveled extensively in Mexico and am fluent in Spanish. My best friend’s family is from Mexico City and San Luis, and I have intereacted with his family in both places.
I would estimate that no more than 10-15% of Mexicans have “pure” European ancestry. The higher figues that you cite result from including persons with less European ancestry.
I would estimate that no more than 10-15% of Mexicans have “pure” European ancestry. The higher figues that you cite result from including persons with less European ancestry.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:06 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
CIA world factbook says 62% mestizo.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:07 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Cool. Still don't want them here.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:08 pm to DeadFish
None of what you mentioned is racism.
Words matter and definitions matter.
It is possible to be rude, perhaps prejudicial, without being (gasp!) racist.
I would guess 99 percent of America doesn’t realize the racial makeup of Mexico and other countries.
The real racism is the White majority offloading their unwanted minorities on to us.
Words matter and definitions matter.
It is possible to be rude, perhaps prejudicial, without being (gasp!) racist.
I would guess 99 percent of America doesn’t realize the racial makeup of Mexico and other countries.
The real racism is the White majority offloading their unwanted minorities on to us.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:11 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Yeah I read that portion, but the mestizo distinction exists outside its complicated history in Mexico (or indeed in all of South America). That's what I was referring to, not the governments use of the term to create Mexican identity. Autosomal studies of the lower socioeconomic groups in Mexico have put the admixture percentages at something like 55% Indigenous, 35% European and 10% other, meaning a genetic basis for a distinction could be made, though I think the "mestizo" term is used in a pejorative sense in Mexico.
This is an entirely an aside from the point of the thread. My apologies.
What I do find interesting is that Mexico's population of indigenous peoples make up 35% of the total indigenous population throughout the Americas. It fits in with Spanish colonial history (as Spain would not have been able to colonize Mexico specifically without major help from indigenous groups) but its surprising to see how much of that population remains.
This is an entirely an aside from the point of the thread. My apologies.
What I do find interesting is that Mexico's population of indigenous peoples make up 35% of the total indigenous population throughout the Americas. It fits in with Spanish colonial history (as Spain would not have been able to colonize Mexico specifically without major help from indigenous groups) but its surprising to see how much of that population remains.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:11 pm to AggieHank86
47 percent claim to be white. Another 30 percent claim to be Mestizo.
I said the majority is white. Are you claiming there isn’t at least 4 percent white among the Mestizo? This doesn’t even include the Arab population, who are also white.
I said the majority is white. Are you claiming there isn’t at least 4 percent white among the Mestizo? This doesn’t even include the Arab population, who are also white.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:26 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The real racism is the White majority offloading their unwanted minorities on to us.
But you said that the antipathy towards Mexicans isn't of a racial nature...and now you are claiming that the Mexicans being "sent" to the U.S. are non-white Mexicans. Which makes the antipathy towards Mexicans in the U.S. antipathy towards non-whites. And thus it can be of a racial nature.
You thought you had a valid point, but you didn't.
Of course there are Americans who do not think of "Mexicans" or "South Americans" as white and when picturing a "Mexican" or a "South American" picture an individual who is NOT white.
The actual racial makeup of a people doesn't matter if a person hates "Mexicans" because they think all Mexicans are brown-skinned people who are not white.
If Tom hates Bill solely because he thinks Bill is Jewish, that is anti-semitism REGARDLESS of whether or not Bill is actually Jewish. Bill doesn't have to be a Jew to be a target of anti-semitism.
What part of this is confounding you??
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:30 pm to DeadFish
I never mentioned anything about immigration in the OP.
It came up later in the context of Mexican apartheid, but is not the point of my post.
It came up later in the context of Mexican apartheid, but is not the point of my post.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:43 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I am aware of the point of your post.
You are claiming that it cannot be racist to dislike Mexicans since all Mexicans are not brown-skinned and some are "white".
But if a person dislikes Mexicans because they THINK that all Mexicans are non-whites and the image they have of a Mexican is of a dark-skinned person and they dislike dark-skinned people, that is racism.
As I already noted, that fact that the expressions of dislike of "Mexicans" often included reference to skin color evidences that it IS often of a racial nature. There are people who consider "Mexicans" in general and people from "south of the border" to be inferior to white Americans in general if not also genetically inferior.
"mud-peoples", as they are called. "Browns".
It doesn't matter that not all are actually "brown" because they are thought of as being brown. The antipathy is of a racial / ethnic nature.
You are claiming that it cannot be racist to dislike Mexicans since all Mexicans are not brown-skinned and some are "white".
But if a person dislikes Mexicans because they THINK that all Mexicans are non-whites and the image they have of a Mexican is of a dark-skinned person and they dislike dark-skinned people, that is racism.
As I already noted, that fact that the expressions of dislike of "Mexicans" often included reference to skin color evidences that it IS often of a racial nature. There are people who consider "Mexicans" in general and people from "south of the border" to be inferior to white Americans in general if not also genetically inferior.
"mud-peoples", as they are called. "Browns".
It doesn't matter that not all are actually "brown" because they are thought of as being brown. The antipathy is of a racial / ethnic nature.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:45 pm to DeadFish
You make a lot of assumptions and interject comments and statements that are not part of my post.
Whoever it is saying those things, I suggest you take it up with them.
Whoever it is saying those things, I suggest you take it up with them.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:47 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Both Americans are mainly white because they are a majority caucasiod
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Former Spanish colonies are like that. Spain is in Europe. Conservatives are just figuring this out? Wow.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:50 pm to TBoy
What are you babbling about?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
But you were discussing the charges of racism towards Mexicans and racially-based dislike of Mexicans is relevant.
It may be true that some Mexicans are "white", but that doesn't mean that dislike of Mexicans can never be of a racial nature, as you are positing when you say "So, the next time any criticism of our neighbors to the South results in charges of racism ... now you know."
It may be true that some Mexicans are "white", but that doesn't mean that dislike of Mexicans can never be of a racial nature, as you are positing when you say "So, the next time any criticism of our neighbors to the South results in charges of racism ... now you know."
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:02 pm to DeadFish
There are very legitimate criticisms of Mexico as a country, and many other facets such as drugs, crime, immigration, trade, etc.
This criticism is often met with cries of racism. My point is that the white majority often hides behind a false mask of racism.
Like we heard from Vincent Fox, who is white.
Like we heard from Jorge Ramos, who is white.
This criticism is often met with cries of racism. My point is that the white majority often hides behind a false mask of racism.
Like we heard from Vincent Fox, who is white.
Like we heard from Jorge Ramos, who is white.
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