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re: Did you attend Church today?
Posted on 6/2/26 at 5:50 pm to mlminbtr
Posted on 6/2/26 at 5:50 pm to mlminbtr
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You really need a history lesson.
You say he needs a history lesson, but you don't seem to know that Martin Luther was for indulgences when he wrote his 95 Theses, just against the selling of them, which was never and has never been officially taught by the Catholic Church.
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Here is a fact…in the 4 gospels Jesus never once says “worship me”. He does however, say follow me something like 36 times.
Also, I made this exact point in my post and you raved about a post saying I'm wrong. Just found that funny.
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 6:13 pm to FooManChoo
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The difference is that Protestants believe the authority of the canon is from God, not from man, while the RCC teaches that the canon is only the canon because of the authority of the Church to declare that it is such.
So, you're saying Protestants didn't have to do the heavy lifting to build the church, defend the doctrine and pay the price that early members of the church did. It was all there for you to swipe after 1500. Are there early martyrs in Protestant history? I know, having visited Scotland, you guys wrecked havoc on Catholics. Your argument about "reception" is okay. It doesn't affect me in this discussion. Yes, the authors of the New Testament received their message from God. And from their experience either at the time of Christ or in the next three centuries. I don't argue against that.
In my former life I was a Presbyterian.
Again the reason for the post is because fractionation in the Church leads to heretical thought. At least that's what I thought the preacher was doing.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 6:20 pm to March1st
What a Satanic whore.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:08 pm to StrongOffer
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just against the selling of them
I believe that is the point of his theses and the point I was making. And don’t forget, he was excommunicated for his beliefs expressed in his theses.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:01 pm to mlminbtr
quote:It’s a nuanced issue. Initially, you are correct that his criticism was the selling of indulgences. After he was pressed to back up his beliefs, he changed to questioning more issues, including wanting to remove certain books in the canon. He was excommunicated for spreading heresies and teaching that the Church held no authority, not for being against the selling of indulgences. Instead of expressing his opinions and coming to an understanding, he grew prideful and told everyone to turn away from the Church.
I believe that is the point of his theses and the point I was making. And don’t forget, he was excommunicated for his beliefs expressed in his theses.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:35 am to March1st
These people are not pastors in the Biblical sense of even Christian. They are far left activists who come into churches to sow confusion and division and try to weaken the Gospel of Christ. But the gates of hell shall not prevail. I pray people like this repent and turn to Christ lest they find themselves condemned to hell by the very God they so malign.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 5:51 am to March1st
Letting them vote was a mistake
Posted on 6/3/26 at 5:57 am to March1st
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“Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”
She will burn
Posted on 6/3/26 at 5:58 am to March1st
She doth protestia wrongly
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:37 am to March1st
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Presbyterian Minister
Foo’s sick church.
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if Jesus was alive
Isn’t he supposed to be a living god?
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blessed are those who end their pregnancies.
“Jesus” would have definitely cast some demons into that bitch and drowned her in the sea.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:55 am to MemphisGuy
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Salvation isn't up for interpretation. Salvation is the free gift of God’s grace, granted through personal faith in Jesus Christ. It is not earned through good works, church rituals, or anything else. Instead, it requires repentance, turning away from sin and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Couldn't agree more, but that conclusion required an interpretation of scripture.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:58 am to lurking
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Martin Luther continues to be a scourge on humanity.
Protestants call out their shitheads. Keep kissing the pope's feet and backing priests touching kids.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:06 am to StrongOffer
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Please show me Bible quotes that say salvation is how we view it? Salvation is not up to our own interpretation. The Bible doesn't say that. 1st thru 4th century Christians said quite the opposite. Basic reason that there is only The Truth, not "your truth" or "my truth" is against your claim. Jesus even says "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life". Logically, if we say two different things about Jesus' Way, one of us is wrong.
I agree, but scripture must be interpreted to come to those conclusions. The question is do we make that interpretation personally and apply it to our lives personally or does the pope, a priest, or a pastor do that for us? A lot of really smart people have interpreted it incorrectly which is why we have so many denominations and lots of lost people who think they are saved as Jesus talked about in Matthew 7. I know Catholics like to think they are somehow infallible because they say they are the original church, but the Catholic churches I have attended and studied look nothing like the church I read about in Acts and the epistles.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:37 am to BhamTigah
Acts 2:42: “They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.”
I hope your church breaks bread. Every single part of the Catholic mass is directly from the Bible.
I hope your church breaks bread. Every single part of the Catholic mass is directly from the Bible.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:53 am to StrongOffer
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I hope your church breaks bread.
We do. Thanks for your concern.
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Every single part of the Catholic mass is directly from the Bible.
I’ve seen no scripture regarding the baptism of babies but I know the arguments for why you do it so arguing about it helps no one.
The whole point I was making originally was that salvation is personal and being Catholic or Protestant or anything else isn’t going to help if you have not interpreted and applied the scriptures properly in your own life.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 9:53 am to StrongOffer
quote:I'm trying to summarize doctrines that have thousands of books written on them into a short statement for consumption on a message board. I think you need to realize that I'm not trying to flesh out all aspects of justification at once here.
Where in this ^ did you say we need to believe in saved by grace alone to get salvation?
To answer your question directly, I didn't say the grace part explicitly in that message, as the message I did say is gracious in itself, focused on what Jesus did for us, not what we do. Here's the breakdown of my statement:
1. Jesus obeyed the requirements of the law (not us)
2. Jesus died a sinner's death (not us)
3. Jesus' death removes God's wrath against our sin (not our good works)
4. Jesus' death provides us perfect righteousness (we don't earn it)
5. Jesus' death provides peace with God (we cannot appease God with works)
6. Jesus' death allows us to live with God forever (not anything we or anyone else does).
All of these parts of my statement are on what Jesus did, not what we do. This is the gospel message.
A separate but related question could have been, how does one receive the gospel, and I could have added "by grace alone through faith alone", but I was speaking on what the gospel message is, not the mechanism or instrument of our salvation. Again, I was attempting to be succinct.
quote:I'm not adding anything. I'm providing clarification because you wanted me to flesh it out.
You're now adding to your original statement of what makes someone part of Christ's Church in order to hate on Catholics.
If I wanted to "hate on Catholics", I could have done that in my initial response to dickkellog. My response to him was a defense of biblical Protestantism, and I was actually very gracious to Catholicism in that post, seeking to compare facts rather than "hate on" Catholicism by using emotive and aggressive language. Even my response to Champagne, which you then latched onto, was very generic and did not call out Catholicism directly, which I certainly could have done, but chose not to do.
And for the record, I don't hate Catholics. I hate the false gospel that Catholicism teaches, and that the leaders of the RCC lead many people astray because of that false gospel. I feel pity for the lay Catholic and pray that the Lord saves them all in spite of the official teachings of the RCC.
quote:I don't believe I am. Catholicism has anathematized the Reformation's biblical teaching on justification by faith alone. Justification is at the heart of the gospel, and my understanding that the RCC adds to the gospel by requiring meritorious works and acts for justification beyond merely receiving Christ by faith is in alignment with the teaching of the RCC. Unless you want to deny that good works are necessary as a meritorious cause of our justification, I, again, don't think I'm misrepresenting anything, though I'm sure I could always be more precise.
While also misrepresenting what the Catholic Church teaches.
quote:I disagree. A good example is your very defense in this conversation. You tried to get around what I was saying by saying adding to it is not a big deal. You said: "If you say all that is needed is A and someone does A + B, they have fulfilled your requirements."
Incorrect, the RCC means what it says it means. It however doesn't mean what you want them to mean in order to invalidate the One True Holy and Apostolic Church.
You changed the requirements (by adding to the requirements) and then played it off like it's not a big deal because the requirements were met. You were talking about something in addition to what I was talking about while claiming the RCC agrees with what I said.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:06 am to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:I don't know what you mean by this. It sounds like you're saying that Protestants considered themselves as a different group than their Christian forefathers who did what described here.
So, you're saying Protestants didn't have to do the heavy lifting to build the church, defend the doctrine and pay the price that early members of the church did. It was all there for you to swipe after 1500.
The Reformers spoke of the RCC of the 1500's (really the prior centuries) as having deviated from the earlier Church, and the Protestants were trying to get back to orthodoxy as found in the Scriptures. The Reformed theologians quoted and referenced the church fathers constantly, because they believed that the Reformation was re-claiming biblical theology that had its seed form in the early church. It wasn't a separate "church", but a reform movement of the church. That's why it was called a "reformation".
quote:Again, I'm not sure what you mean by "early martyrs in Protestant history". Are you referring to something other than the Reformation, like "Protestants" in the 300's? That would be missing what the Reformation was about, if so.
Are there early martyrs in Protestant history? I know, having visited Scotland, you guys wrecked havoc on Catholics.
However, if you're referring to Protestant martyrs from the 1500's and 1600's, there were many.
quote:I'm sorry you have crossed the Tiber, then. I hope you are not trusting in anything other than the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ received by faith as the meritorious cause of your right standing before God.
In my former life I was a Presbyterian.
quote:I'm also concerned about heresy being taught. I think that woman from the OP will be judged harshly by God, as she sets herself of as a teacher in the church (which she shouldn't be), while leading people astray.
Again the reason for the post is because fractionation in the Church leads to heretical thought. At least that's what I thought the preacher was doing.
I know she's teaching heresy because of the study of the Bible, though.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:12 am to BhamTigah
quote:I said mass; baptism isn't a part of the mass. But since you brought it up:
’ve seen no scripture regarding the baptism of babies but I know the arguments for why you do it so arguing about it helps no one.
Acts 16:15 — Lydia and her household
Acts 16:33 — The Philippian jailer and his family
Acts 10:47–48 — Cornelius and those in his house
1 Corinthians 1:16 — The household of Stephanas
Households include children do they not?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:19 am to March1st
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Did you attend Church today?
Yep.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:28 am to FooManChoo
quote:This is exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. Your unwillingness to accept that is astonishing my friend.
To answer your question directly, I didn't say the grace part explicitly in that message, as the message I did say is gracious in itself, focused on what Jesus did for us, not what we do. Here's the breakdown of my statement:
1. Jesus obeyed the requirements of the law (not us)
2. Jesus died a sinner's death (not us)
3. Jesus' death removes God's wrath against our sin (not our good works)
4. Jesus' death provides us perfect righteousness (we don't earn it)
5. Jesus' death provides peace with God (we cannot appease God with works)
6. Jesus' death allows us to live with God forever (not anything we or anyone else does).
All of these parts of my statement are on what Jesus did, not what we do. This is the gospel message.
A separate but related question could have been, how does one receive the gospel, and I could have added "by grace alone through faith alone", but I was speaking on what the gospel message is, not the mechanism or instrument of our salvation. Again, I was attempting to be succinct.
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