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re: DHS Secretary confirms Rep. Illhan Omar married her brother, investigation pending

Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:13 pm to
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When you realize cubbies, SFP, etc are paid to obfuscate and derail, it will make a lot more sense


Yes.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
11089 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:14 pm to
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Oh frick. You’re Hank aren’t you? He is the only poster I can think of that would post incorrect legal conclusions with such hubris.


I'm not Hank. I don't think I'm swayed by hubris. I'm willing to learn. What did I say that was wrong?
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:17 pm to
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but it would have to be proven that the fraud related to HER naturalization process.


No. Go ask AI and it'll lay it out for you

This post was edited on 9/11/26 at 1:19 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
60521 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:21 pm to
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I'm not Hank. I don't think I'm swayed by hubris. I'm willing to learn. What did I say that was wrong?


Your entire premise is based upon assumptions. And the legal conclusion that her status can’t be revoked is wrong.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:25 pm to
So sit your arse in the corner little Billy, fake outrage shite is hilarious to me
Posted by stout
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
11089 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:33 pm to
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No. Any fraud is grounds for drnaturalization. It doesn't have to be specific


I think we've gone back and forth enough. I apologize if I got personal with you. I respect you.

I just think it's highly unlikely that the DHS has been sitting on this case for years without seriously investigating it. The most logical explanation to me is that DHS knows it can't do anything about this detestable, anti-American person, but is stirring the pot to rile the base.

You disagree. Cool.

As for the fraud having to relate to HER status, I'm just going to post the ChatGPT summary.

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If the allegation is that Omar married her brother for the purpose of obtaining an immigration benefit for him, that can be relevant to her immigration history, but it does not automatically establish that her own naturalization was fraudulently procured.

There are two somewhat different theories under the Immigration and Nationality Act:
Fraud/misrepresentation that procured her citizenship.

Under 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), the government has to connect the misrepresentation to the procurement of her naturalization. The Supreme Court in Kungys v. United States emphasized that the misrepresentation must have a natural tendency to affect the citizenship decision and that the citizenship must have been "procured by" it.

False testimony made to obtain an immigration benefit.
There is a separate provision, 8 U.S.C. § 1101(f)(6), concerning false testimony made for the purpose of obtaining immigration or naturalization benefits. Kungys specifically recognized that this provision can encompass benefits obtained at the immigration stage, not merely the ultimate citizenship benefit.

So, hypothetically, if the evidence established:
Omar knowingly entered a sham marriage to her brother and made false sworn representations to immigration authorities in order to obtain an immigration benefit for him
that could potentially be significant even though the immediate beneficiary was her brother.

But there is a crucial additional question: What benefit did she herself receive, and what role did the alleged fraud play in her own immigration status and eventual naturalization?

If the marriage was entirely about helping her brother and had no effect whatsoever on her own immigration status, eligibility, or naturalization, the government's denaturalization case becomes considerably more difficult.

In fact, Kungys expressly distinguishes between a misrepresentation that obtains an immigration benefit and one that actually procures the naturalization order itself.

So for the Omar situation, I would want to reconstruct the chronology very carefully: her 2000 entry ? asylum/refugee status ? alleged 2002 marriage ? her brother's immigration status ? her adjustment to permanent residence ? naturalization. That would tell us whether the alleged marriage fraud could legally reach her citizenship, rather than merely establishing that she committed an immigration-related fraud against her brother's benefit.



Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
11089 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:39 pm to
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. Go ask AI and it'll lay it out for you


Lol. I already did before I saw your post. You might be correct. MY AI found some ambiguity.

Summing up: I think the lapse of time means that DHS knows she can't be removed. You take Mullins at his word.

Peace
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
11089 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:41 pm to
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So sit your arse in the corner little Billy, fake outrage shite is hilarious to me


You're not the boss of me.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
109233 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:56 pm to
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The poli board truly has devolved into the National Enquirer.


Are you claiming Omar did not marry her brother and it’s just a salacious headline to get clicks?
Posted by jrobic4
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:58 pm to
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4cubbies


quote:

Shame on whoever introduced y'all to Twitter 15 years


Shame on whoever introduced you to Tiger droppings!


Posted by Lutcher Lad
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:01 pm to
Does that make her a "brother f..cker?"
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
63126 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:14 pm to
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Are you claiming Omar did not marry her brother and it’s just a salacious headline to get clicks?

I'm claiming that stout fell for recycled outrage bait from years ago and posted it here because that's what he does.

I don't know or care about the marital status of anyone named in the tweet.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
49967 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:17 pm to
Krazy Konsurvitiv konspiracie!!!

Are there no depths the MAGTARDS won’t sink t….

Oh, it’s actually true???


Damn!!!


Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
185196 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:25 pm to
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I'm claiming that stout fell for recycled outrage bait from years ago



The comments from the DHS Secretary in the OP are literally from yesterday, buffoon.

Not sure if I have pointed it out yet in this thread, but you are a stupid person
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63961 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:31 pm to
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I don't know or care about the marital status


You are characterizing incest as "marital status".

or

You are characterizing immigration fraud as "marital status".

You need help.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29506 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:36 pm to
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A quote from the DHS secretary is akin to the National Enquirer?



My question would be, why did he then say "IF we move a case forward..." Why the fricking "if"?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29506 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:40 pm to
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The comments from the DHS Secretary in the OP are literally from yesterday, buffoon.

Not sure if I have pointed it out yet in this thread, but you are a stupid person


Well, I'm sure as hell not a stupid person, so my question for Mullin would be, since he's been on the job almost six months and this has been known far longer than that, what in the frick is he waiting on?

And again, why does he say "IF we move an investigation forward"?

shite or get off the pot. Arrest her, put her in prison, and deport her after she serves her sentence...or shut the frick up about it.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29506 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:42 pm to
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Are you claiming Omar did not marry her brother and it’s just a salacious headline to get clicks?


I'm claiming that if she did, Mullin should have arrested her 15 minutes after he took his hand off the Bible
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:43 pm to
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