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Detroit Mayor Refuses J&J Vaccine
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:04 am
CNN
Well seems like Mike Duggan may have taken the lead as America’s Dumbest Mayor, and he has some stiff competition with Bill De Blasio, Ted Wheeler, and Muriel Bowser.
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Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan declined an initial allocation of the newly authorized Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine this week even as nationwide demand continues to outpace available supply.
Duggan, a Democrat who has been mayor since 2014, said he turned down the shipment because the city is able to meet current demand with its supply of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines -- even as his administration expanded vaccine eligibility Thursday to residents ages 50 and older with chronic medical conditions.
"So, Johnson & Johnson is a very good vaccine. Moderna and Pfizer are the best. And I am going to do everything I can to make sure the residents of the City of Detroit get the best," Duggan said during a news conference Thursday.
The US Food and Drug Administration on Saturday authorized the one-dose J&J vaccine, which was found to be 72% effective in the US against moderate to severe/critical Covid-19 cases. Clinical trials showed the two-dose Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were about 95% effective.
All three vaccines are highly effective at preventing serious illness from Covid-19, and health officials have urged people to take any Covid-19 vaccine they are offered.
"The day may come in March or April when every single Moderna and Pfizer is committed, and we still have people who need a vaccine. And at that point we will set up a Johnson & Johnson center. I don't see that in the next couple of weeks," Duggan said.
Well seems like Mike Duggan may have taken the lead as America’s Dumbest Mayor, and he has some stiff competition with Bill De Blasio, Ted Wheeler, and Muriel Bowser.
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Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:05 am to OMLandshark
The sooner Covid is over and a thing of the past the sooner they lose all of the control over the people that they currently have at the moment.
It's something they are not ready to give up on yet.
It's something they are not ready to give up on yet.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:06 am to OMLandshark
Welcome to the Domestic Terrorist, Deplorable Neanderthal Club Mike!!
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:11 am to OMLandshark
I don't see an issue.
If they have enough, let the J&J go elsewhere.
If they have enough, let the J&J go elsewhere.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:19 am to OMLandshark
I never thought I’d agree with Detroit’s mayor about anything.
That actually made sense
That actually made sense
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:24 am to llfshoals
Duggan is a decent, reasonable guy for the most part.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:25 am to OMLandshark
So the shipment gets diverted to another area. No biggie
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:28 am to llfshoals
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I never thought I’d agree with Detroit’s mayor about anything.
That actually made sense
If their demand is TRULY being met by the other vaccines, then I agree. Let the J&J vaccines go elsewhere, where they're more needed right now.
The article says they've expanded the pool of those eligible, and the Mayor says the demand is being met just fine. So if this is the truth, then he's doing the right thing here.
The problem lies within truthful reporting and numbers. Who can judge what's true vs. fiction, fact vs. political theater anymore? It sucks that we can't trust ANYTHING we're told, especially concerning COVID
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:30 am to OMLandshark
I have only had one cup of coffee so far this morning and it is going to be a two cups or three cups of coffee kind of day so I am going to need you to explain why you are upset about this.
There is a nationwide shortage but Detroit is supposedly meeting its needs with just Pfzer and Moderna. I don't know how not accepting more vaccines than what the city can stick into someone's arm in a reasonable amount of time is a bad thing. Trying to stockpile vaccines up just leads to more vaccines being returned to the companies or spoiling unless the city has plenty of the special freezers. Pfzer and Moderna have a very short shelf life once they are taken out of the special freezers.
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Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan declined an initial allocation of the newly authorized Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine this week even as nationwide demand continues to outpace available supply.
Duggan, a Democrat who has been mayor since 2014, said he turned down the shipment because the city is able to meet current demand with its supply of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines -- even as his administration expanded vaccine eligibility Thursday to residents ages 50 and older with chronic medical conditions.
There is a nationwide shortage but Detroit is supposedly meeting its needs with just Pfzer and Moderna. I don't know how not accepting more vaccines than what the city can stick into someone's arm in a reasonable amount of time is a bad thing. Trying to stockpile vaccines up just leads to more vaccines being returned to the companies or spoiling unless the city has plenty of the special freezers. Pfzer and Moderna have a very short shelf life once they are taken out of the special freezers.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:31 am to OMLandshark
If Detroit truly has enough for their citizens, city employees, etc., then I can’t say I have a problem with this. No point in taking shipments of it if you don’t need it.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:31 am to OMLandshark
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Clinical trials showed the two-dose Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were about 95% effective.
Shouldn't we be able to start reporting some real world numbers by now? Drugs are never as effective as their trials show and that 95% number seemed too good to be true from the beginning.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:32 am to OMLandshark
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According to the co-founder of BioNTech Dr Ugur Sahin, the COVID-19 vaccine he designed for Pfizer was designed in just few hours in a single day on January 25, 2020. No other vaccine in history has been created and manufactured so quickly.
Previously, the fastest vaccine ever developed took more than four years.
Pfizer has paid $2.3 billion in the largest healthcare fraud settlement in history to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210301031916/https://greatgameindia.com/pfizer-fraud-settlement/
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=95353610&s=2&p=95353304#95353610
According to the co-founder of BioNTech Dr Ugur Sahin, the COVID-19 vaccine he designed for Pfizer was designed in just few hours in a single day on January 25, 2020. No other vaccine in history has been created and manufactured so quickly.
Previously, the fastest vaccine ever developed took more than four years.
Pfizer has paid $2.3 billion in the largest healthcare fraud settlement in history to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210301031916/https://greatgameindia.com/pfizer-fraud-settlement/
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=95353610&s=2&p=95353304#95353610
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:43 am to llfshoals
quote:
I never thought I’d agree with Detroit’s mayor about anything.
That actually made sense
No it doesn’t. 72% is still pretty good for a vaccine and you only require one which means half the time.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:47 am to OMLandshark
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Well seems like Mike Duggan may have taken the lead as America’s Dumbest Mayor,
What exactly is the problem with allowing the JNJ vaccine to be allocated elsewhere if they are not needed in Detroit? Why would that be dumb?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:49 am to OMLandshark
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72% is still pretty good for a vaccine and you only require one which means half the time.
Covid Survival rate is 99.9%. Why would you want to take the chance?
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As experimental COVID vaccines have been fast tracked with secret agreements by govts to protect the pharma companies from liabilities, the US government paid over $57 million in compensation for vaccine injuries and deaths till March 2020 alone. Meanwhile, there are currently no such laws in India that would protect victims of the COVID-19 vaccine side-effects.
A whistleblower from AstraZeneca revealed in shocking details that the company could not be on the receiving end of any constitutional motion or face legal action for any possible side effects or unwanted reactions induced by its Covid-19 vaccine. The company has secret agreements with governments as per which AstraZeneca cannot be held responsible and those affected will have no legal recourse.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210228215033/https://greatgameindia.com/us-vaccine-injuries-deaths/
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:08 am to Indefatigable
quote:My thought is that you would bring in the J&J vax and use it for the younger portion of the population (didn't it say they are opening it up to folks as young as 50?) Use J&J on the folks 50-65 as they have a better chance of surviving/not having major issues if they do contract it, and let the other two that have higher efficacy rates go to other places that can use them on the older/higher risk population.
What exactly is the problem with allowing the JNJ vaccine to be allocated elsewhere if they are not needed in Detroit? Why would that be dumb?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:15 am to Ailsa
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The company has secret agreements with governments as per which AstraZeneca cannot be held responsible and those affected will have no legal recourse.
It isn't secret at all. It is public info.
A separate court system was setup under the NCVI act of 1986. The whole point of this court is to settle vaccine injury cases. The payouts to victims are covered by the government and not Pharma. The courts have awarded over $6billion in damages to victims already.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:17 am to YouAre8Up
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The sooner Covid is over and a thing of the past the sooner they lose all of the control over the people that they currently have at the moment.
COVID will never be over now, kind of like Global Warming.
It's here to stay. COVID-19, COVID-20, COVID-21, COVID-XXII, the child of COVID....
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:17 am to notsince98
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It isn't secret at all. It is public info.
Public info that the media doesn't discuss or let the public know about.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:26 am to OMLandshark
BTW if your eligible for vaccination and don't wanna wait long,go to and CVS,Publix,Wal-Mart etc in a black community.The lines pretty much don't exist.
Black folks aren't big fans of the Covid vaccines for the most part.
None of the AA's I work with are going to take along with my AA customers and one works at the CDC.
Black folks aren't big fans of the Covid vaccines for the most part.
None of the AA's I work with are going to take along with my AA customers and one works at the CDC.
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