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re: Desantis reveals a proposed redistricting map of Florida

Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:12 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:12 am to
Democrats get a huge benefit with SFP apologizing for them.

If there wasn't a Cole Tamas Allen manifesto... He would be saying he was just sprinting the security check point... To: get in before salad is done and his concealed carry went off on accident.
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:17 am to
SFP only in favor when it benefits evil. On any issue
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:20 am to
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California's map was in response to Texas's redistricting. I don't think "Democrats" created that gerrymandered Texas map.



What a stupid response.

And Texas's redistricting was a response to what occurred in every Democratically held stronghold.

Full retard, man.
Posted by Marshhen
Port Eads
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:24 am to
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California's map was in response to Texas's redistricting. I don't think "Democrats" created that gerrymandered Texas map.


Texas’ map was in response to Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Rhode Island, etc. I don’t think “Republicans” created those gerrymandered maps
Posted by MilwaukeeKosherDills
Member since Aug 2021
493 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:25 am to
Will there be a referendum?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:26 am to
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this is oversimplified almost to an absurd level. are you serious trying to imply that Democrats are innocent of gerrymandering in Texas?


This is a bait and switch response if I've ever seen one.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:30 am to
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Hollywood and San Fran aren't that big.



They have multiple millions of "spare votes" and those states don't require much to flip.

Popular vote for President in 2024:

Montana:

352,079 to 231,906

Wyoming:

192,633 to 69,527

North Dakota:

246,505 to 112,327

South Dakota:

272,081 to 146,859

4 states flipped would only require like 600k.

And this was the "best case scenario" for the GOP
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:31 am to
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California's map was in response to Texas's redistricting.


and Texas' was in response to California's map being 42-9 NOW

California and Massachusetts and Illinois were all fricked before Texas did anything.

You cannot help but lie.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:31 am to
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And Texas's redistricting was a response to what occurred in every Democratically held stronghold.



I see the NPC spin has run deep on this issue
Posted by alabamabuckeye
Member since Jun 2010
22352 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:31 am to
Love our new era of politics where we continue to cut off our noses to spite our faces. Definitely won’t backfire in the future and is really healthy for our country.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:33 am to
Huh??? Lol
What Constitution have you been reading?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:34 am to
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and Texas' was in response to California's map being 42-9 NOW

California and Massachusetts and Illinois were all fricked before Texas did anything.

You cannot help but lie.


You need to learn your history. This hyper-specific gerrymandering strategy started with the GOP after the 2010 census. It was brilliant at the time but the DEMs caught up and responded. Then TX sent it into overdrive last year and there has been a tit-for-tat since.

Article from 2014

quote:

Even if Democrats recruit great candidates, raise gobs of money and run smart campaigns, they face an uphill fight to retake control of the House in this year's congressional elections, regardless of the political climate in November.

The reason? Republican strategists spent years developing a plan to take advantage of the 2010 census, first by winning state legislatures and then redrawing House districts to tilt the playing field in their favor. Their success was unprecedented.

In states like Ohio, Michigan and North Carolina, Republicans were able to shape congressional maps to pack as many Democratic voters as possible into the fewest House districts. The practice is called gerrymandering, and it left fertile ground elsewhere in each state to spread Republican voters among more districts, increasing the GOP's chances of winning more seats.

Geography helped in some states. Democratic voters are more likely to live in densely populated urban areas, making it easier to pack them into fewer districts.

The first payoff came in 2012, when Republicans kept control of the House despite a Democratic wave that swept President Barack Obama to a second term. The next payoff is likely to come this fall when candidates once again compete in House districts drawn by Republican legislators in key states.


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"The fact that Republicans controlled redistricting (after 2010) meant that they were able to build up a wall, stopping a lot of the tide from running out," said Justin Levitt, a law professor and redistricting expert at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "They were able to shore up a lot of the districts that had been won by, in many cases, tea party freshmen or other Republican freshmen."

The Republicans' advantage will fade as the decade wears on and the population changes. In the meantime, lopsided House districts are having a direct impact on the ability of Congress to tackle tough issues. House districts are drawn so that Democrats and Republicans often represent very different groups of people with different views on divisive issues. That can make it hard to find common ground.


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For Republicans, it was a combination of luck and planning. The political winds were in their favor, but they also had been plotting for years to take full advantage of redistricting.

The project was called REDMAP, which stood for Redistricting Majority Project. It called for targeting statehouse races in states that were expected to gain or lose congressional seats following the census. GOP strategists reasoned that redistricting could have a greater impact in these states because there would have to be more changes to district boundaries, said Chris Jankowski, former president of the Republican State Leadership Committee, which heads up the party's national effort to elect candidates to state offices.

Republicans spent more than $30 million through REDMAP to help elect legislative majorities in states like Ohio, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Jankowski said.


quote:

To help analyze voting patterns in congressional districts, The Associated Press divided the votes from the 2012 presidential election into all 435 House districts.

Since Obama got the most votes, you might think he won the most congressional districts. But he didn't.

Nationally, Obama received nearly 5 million more votes than Republican Mitt Romney. But in some states, large numbers of Obama's votes were packed into heavily Democratic congressional districts. As a result, Romney won 17 more House districts than Obama.

Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin and Florida accounted for the entire disparity. Obama won the statewide vote, but Romney won the most congressional districts in each state.

Republicans engineered these disparities by packing large numbers of Democrats into relatively few districts. This resulted in lopsided Democratic districts. For example, Obama won more than 80 percent of the vote in 26 House districts spread across 10 states.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:35 am to
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This is gonna go off the rails

Gonna?

We're completely off the rails right now.

Its a zero sum game where both sides will continue to become more and more aggressive as the stakes are raised because the groups want things that can only happen at the expense of what the other wants.

The US system of government was not built to handle two completely culturally, politically and morally separate groups and the founding fathers were explicit about that.

Its just not gonna work and we're going to fight more and more until one side wins or the two sides separate.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
150331 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:35 am to
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flip Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, and maybe Utah and still have no sweat with CA being a yuge DEM stronghold.

quote:

SlowFlowPro

Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21755 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:36 am to
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Fight fire with fire. At the end of the day though, this is so stupid. Supreme Court should just come in and say we aren't drawing districts anymore and here is the new way


I agree with your sentiment, but the Supreme Court is not the branch to handle such things.

The proper way would be to do it by legislation or even an amendment, but those can’t happen in today’s political climate.

We are in a place in history where the ideology of the left, marxist utopian power struggle, cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith. It’s antithetical to representative democracy, which can only function in an environment of western liberal (lower l) morality.
Posted by pankReb
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Member since Mar 2009
73072 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:37 am to
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Those districts look reasonable The funny thing is most GOP redistricting efforts show maps with reasonable districts geographically The Dem maps like in Virginia are insane where they take half a city and stretch the district far into rural areas


There’s a district shaped like a fricking lobster in Virginia. Fairfax county is divided into 4 different districts.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47573 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:43 am to
That’s pretty dishonest. As if Texas is the genesis of congressional gerrymandering issues.

Their population grew by millions in recent years, and they’ve become more red. They should have at least 50 EC votes if we’re being honest. At least they had a passable case to redistrict, rather than reactive, and overtly undemocratic partisanship like Illinois, California, and Virginia.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:44 am to
This is a new style of war between the states.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65797 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:46 am to
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The funny thing is most GOP redistricting efforts show maps with reasonable districts geographically

The Dem maps like in Virginia are insane where they take half a city and stretch the district far into rural areas


Yep. Dems are gerrymandering Frankenstein districts. The "black majority" (the only minority they care about) districts in Southern states also have to look like Frankenstein districts. Anytime the Dems draw a map, the map makes no geographical sense. When Rs draw maps, they look exactly how you would expect them to look based solely on geography and population size.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 11:46 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:46 am to
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As if Texas is the genesis of congressional gerrymandering issues.


That started after 2010 (see above)

quote:

Their population grew by millions in recent years,

We have to wait for the census of 2030 to determine that impact on this discussion, per the Constitution.

I imagine the post-Covid flood to TX won't be nearly as impactful by 2030, but that's another discussion.
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