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re: Dear GA conservatives who slipped the runoff
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:40 am to ibldprplgld
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:40 am to ibldprplgld
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10 million people in GA could have voted for the Republican candidates and the democrats would have come up with 10 million and one votes for the Dem candidates.
People on this board where saying this about Virginia and Youngkin also. What happened there?
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Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:49 am to the808bass
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More people voted Republican than in any previous runoff.
More people voted Republican in the runoff as a percentage of people who voted Republican in the general than in any previous runoff.
No shite! This runoff had more money spent and more media attention than any other by far so not surprising that turnout was good for a runoff. Voter fraud in Atlanta is not new to this election and it does not explain the decrease in turnout in Trump precincts. Trump dropped the ball when he discouraged mail in voting and when he did very little ahead of time to combat covid inspired voting rules changes across the country.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:58 am to Indefatigable
quote:It's neither stupid nor shortsighted to align your actions with your beliefs. It would actually be intellectually inconsistent to not do so.
This exact mindset right here is what lost the runoffs. Congrats on being stupid and shortsighted at the same time.
For those who believe(d) the 2020 election to be stolen or not representative of the will of the people due to a number of reasons (tampered voting machines, ballot harvesting, fake ballots, lack of supervision/accountability, etc.), it could be considered an act of futility to continue to participate in the act of voting only a few weeks later when nothing else had changed.
You can say that those who believe(d) the election to be fraudulent are misguided or misinformed, but it's certainly not "stupid and shortsighted" to abstain from a voluntary process you no longer have trust in.
It seems like you only say it is stupid and shortsighted because you (presumably) disagree with the conclusion that the election was fraudulent. You (presumably) think that the 2020 election was just like every other election in terms of normal amounts of cheating or fudging and that the results just didn't fall in Trump's favor, therefore you haven't lost trust in the system at all. Because of that (presumably), you think it's stupid and shortsighted to not continue to participate in that system.
But like I said, for those who believe differently, it would be intellectually inconsistent to continue to participate in a system that they believe is rigged against them and where the outcome is predetermined without even the appearance of accountability for those doing the rigging.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:03 am to FooManChoo
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It seems like you only say it is stupid and shortsighted because you (presumably) disagree with the conclusion that the election was fraudulent.
Nope. It is stupid and shortsighted because it directly lost the Senate for the GOP. Here’s your gold star for virtue signaling by sitting out the runoff.
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but it's certainly not "stupid and shortsighted" to abstain from a voluntary process you no longer have trust in.
It absolutely is. It displays both a lack of foresight and a lack of intelligence. Only an idiot would think allowing the other side to win is the way to fix what they believe to be a broken system.
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But like I said, for those who believe differently, it would be intellectually inconsistent to continue to participate in a system that they believe is rigged against them and where the outcome is predetermined without even the appearance of accountability for those doing the rigging.
That’s fine. Clutch your pearls and be obstinate. Do not complain once about the other side winning elections though, when you lack the foresight to participate in the election.
You’ll never, ever, fix what is broken by not voting.
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:06 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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it might have been
i never plan on voting again. some dem does it for me now
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:07 am to FooManChoo
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But like I said, for those who believe differently, it would be intellectually inconsistent to continue to participate in a system that they believe is rigged against them and where the outcome is predetermined without even the appearance of accountability for those doing the rigging.
Accountability is impossible if these people still hold power. And if you lie down and let them run over you by not voting there is a 100% chance they will hold on. The better attitude, in my humble opinion, is to vote to make it harder for them. And as someone stated above, thank God Virginia voters did not have the mindset to lie down and be run over.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:14 am to ForeverEllisHugh
It is a libtard for a libtard. Hardly anything to get worked up over. I was more afraid of packing the SCOTUS and batshite Senate rule changes. If we were replacing Thomas or Alieto, that would be very big.
Thank God for Sinema and Manchin. We dodged a bullet for now.
Thank God for Sinema and Manchin. We dodged a bullet for now.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:37 am to frogtown
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People on this board where saying this about Virginia and Youngkin also. What happened there?
Idk, ask the Dems.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:47 am to FooManChoo
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I don’t blame people at all for losing confidence in the system and choosing to abstain.
Just take your ball and go home and bitch about your new dem rep. Now they don't even have to try to cheat.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:16 am to ForeverEllisHugh
The people that did this or encouraged Georgians to do this are lower than Antifa. They knew exactly what they were doing and put the President over their country. The people that did that should have a hammer and sickle carved into their head Inglourious Basterds style. The Trumptanic was sinking, and while many of us wanted to live to fight another day, these treasonous twats lit the lifeboats on fire. We got lucky this time that a boat captained by Manchin and Sinema happened to be sailing by, but we may not get that lucky next time.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:19 am to Kafka
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Dems would have just stolen it anyway
What did it hurt if you went out to vote? What if you are wrong? I’m sorry, anyone who stayed at home or encouraged Georgians to stay at home and give the Democrats the Senate is a traitor. I’ll forgive someone who was misguided that voted for Biden, but I’ll never forgive those traitors.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:21 am to Indefatigable
I asked this once, but I'll ask again.
I understand the OP's frustration. However, are we seriously under the impression that with 52 Senators, the GOP was going to block this nomination?
I find that highly unlikely.
I understand the OP's frustration. However, are we seriously under the impression that with 52 Senators, the GOP was going to block this nomination?
I find that highly unlikely.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:26 am to ShortyRob
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However, are we seriously under the impression that with 52 Senators, the GOP was going to block this nomination?
Probably not. The Senate historically has allowed a POTUS to make appointments even when his party is in the minority.
You would not have gotten the American Rescue Plan, or the Infrastructure Bill (as it was passed) with a GOP majority in the Senate.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:27 am to ForeverEllisHugh
I get what you’re saying but the steal was already in.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:40 am to LSUAngelHere1
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get what you’re saying but the steal was already in.
That is not true. Perdue had more votes than Ossof, and the two Republicans combined had more votes than Warnock in the primary election.
Only decreased Republican turnout in the runoff allowed the two Democratic candidates to win.
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:01 am to Lou Pai
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Off the top of my head
Magician2
Nigel Farage
Both bought into the nonsense like petulant brats and stayed home
Still don’t regret it, city of Atlanta once again was late with getting their results in having them trickle in overnight. For the general election it took them a week to count all the votes in and around Atlanta. What is the point of voting when the Republicans in Georgia let the Atlanta Democrat’s create their own rules of counting ballots? Not to mention Purdue and Loeffler were two of the worst candidates you could have imagined for an election like this. Then to top off the shite sandwich you have Geoff Duncan and Raffensperger going rogue and trying to cover their own asses with our impotent governor unwilling to do anything to reign in Atlanta. The governor lives in Atlanta (but he probably spends more time in Athens) and let “his” city riot for days on end in the summer and then make up their own election rules in November.
Yea so I’m glad I sat out that election and peaced out of that state. The republicans invited this leftist madness in with their tax breaks for Hollywood and other businesses and allowed them to sink their roots in all around the state. In 2022 they will probably lose it all, I can’t think of a bigger group of chicken shite, grifting cowards than the people who run the GAGOP.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:19 am to Nigel Farage
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What is the point of voting when the Republicans in Georgia let the Atlanta Democrat’s create their own rules of counting ballots?
Winning elections seems like a good point. The GOP got more votes in the primary in both races, despite the Democratic frickery with counting votes.
You chose to lose on purpose. Sweet.
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can’t think of a bigger group of chicken shite, grifting cowards than the people who run the GAGOP.
Weak, short sighted, and obstinate people like you would rather throw up their hands and roll over instead of win and fix things are far more chicken shite.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:34 am to tgdawg68
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Perdue had about 250,000 more votes in the general than the runoff and there were about 190,000 more total votes for the 6 republican candidates in the general special election than for Loeffler in the runoff. Further, voter turnout decreased more in Trump precincts than Biden precincts in the runoff.
So this statement is simply untrue.
This is correct. Billboards were running in deep red NW GA saying "Purdue and Loeffler didn't support Trump, Don't support them!". It worked, those areas didn't bother voting in the runoff at a greater rate than the dem candidates runoff vote fell.
Regarding The Steal in general, if the senate seats were part of the The Steal, they would have been nabbed in the general. Why push it off two months when all eyes are on it, and rumors of fraud are swirling, then steal them?
People need to think.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:40 am to Indefatigable
quote:Again, it's neither stupid nor shortsighted to act on your convictions. If your convictions are that the outcome is rigged and that your vote doesn't matter, it makes sense to stop participating in that process. It may be misinformed, but it's not stupid, and it's certainly not shortsighted if that conviction is valid.
Nope. It is stupid and shortsighted because it directly lost the Senate for the GOP. Here’s your gold star for virtue signaling by sitting out the runoff.
You say it's shortsighted because of the result, but what if the results were predetermined and the additional votes missed out by those who didn't participate would have been offset by the same rigged system that created the distrust in that system in the previous election? This goes back to my previous assessment of you: you (presumably) believe that the system is not rigged and that the outcomes are fair and representative, and therefore you think it's shortsighted for others to not do their part by participating in that system. For those who think the system is rigged and that their votes don't really matter, they aren't being shortsighted at all, because if they are correct, then it really wouldn't matter what their vote was, because it would just be offset by fraud.
It's also not virtue signaling to stop participating. Virtue signaling is an attempt to win praise from others without actually doing anything to earn it. Those who are frustrated with the process and stop participating aren't necessarily doing so to win praise from anyone, so it's an unfair characterization to say it's virtue signaling to sit it out. Perhaps if they were bragging about it to everyone instead of bemoaning the state of affairs, you'd have a point.
quote:Who says sitting out is the way to "win"? It's a move of frustration but not meant to "win" anything. Those people certainly don't think it's a winning strategy to participate any longer when they think their vote doesn't matter.
It absolutely is. It displays both a lack of foresight and a lack of intelligence. Only an idiot would think allowing the other side to win is the way to fix what they believe to be a broken system.
You, again, are operating under the assumption that the system is not broken and that our votes do matter. That may be the case, but if it is, then those people sitting out due to their lack of trust in the system are not stupid or lacking foresight, but are just uninformed or misguided. You should be more careful with your words.
quote:I'm not clutching pearls. I'm trying to provide you a reasoned response to your false assessment of those who have lost trust in the system.
That’s fine. Clutch your pearls and be obstinate. Do not complain once about the other side winning elections though, when you lack the foresight to participate in the election.
And people are free to complain about whatever they want. I used to think that if you didn't vote, you didn't have a right to complain, but I was younger and bought that line of thinking. You can criticize what you think is wrong or even evil even if you didn't participate in voting because wrong is still wrong and evil is still evil, whether you voted or not.
quote:Depends on what the problem is and what fix is needed. You clearly don't see a problem with the current system so you don't think that it needs to be fixed, or, that if there is a problem, it can be fixed by voting. If the problem is with the voting system, how do you fix it by voting?
You’ll never, ever, fix what is broken by not voting.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:46 am to FooManChoo
quote:Only if you lack intelligence and the ability to see more than 15 seconds into the future.
it makes sense to stop participating in that process
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you (presumably) believe that the system is not rigged and that the outcomes are fair and representative
Nope, not in any way is that my belief. I simply recognize that sitting out elections is peak stupidity. That people do so because they erroneously believe it is the right thing to do does not make the decision any less stupid.
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For those who think the system is rigged and that their votes don't really matter, they aren't being shortsighted at all, because if they are correct, then it really wouldn't matter what their vote was, because it would just be offset by fraud.
Yes they are. What makes them stupid in addition to shortsighted is that the GOP garnered more votes in the runoff. These idiots let their feelings on the POTUS election permeate their feelings on the Senate runoffs. That is unintelligent behavior.
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