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re: Danny Coulson on Tucker T'Nite...a little backstory. I have worked with this man...
Posted on 9/28/19 at 7:00 am to TigerMikeAtl
Posted on 9/28/19 at 7:00 am to TigerMikeAtl
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I firmly believe many people would not have perished.
......including innocent babies and children. Janet Reno is shoveling coal in hell right now over that atrocity. Bill Clinton's turn is coming up.
There have been many dark moments in our history.....but I would argue the brutal assault and slaughter of innocents at the Branch Davidian complex ranks up there at the top. I remember watching in horror on television as the complex went up in flames......all those innocent babies and precious little children. Made me sick to my stomach.....literally. Definitely not America's proudest moment.
So let me get this straight, you were there at Branch Davidian when the shooting broke out? And if so did you at least say something.....or did you just stand by and watch as innocent children were slaughtered? You all stormed that complex knowing there were children and women in that building? What was wrong with you people?
This post was edited on 9/28/19 at 7:38 am
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Posted on 9/28/19 at 7:16 am to TigerMikeAtl
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I was present when we lost four agents when serving a search warrant.
Why didn’t y’all just arrest David in town the several dozen opportunities you had?
Posted on 9/28/19 at 7:34 am to TigerMikeAtl
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Waco
Screwed the pooch on that one.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 9:05 am to jcolding41
jcolding41
I agree, so where are all the patriots to begin this change? There are enough out there to begin this process. And, if you read the Q page, they already have the information for this change.
So, like a lot of people, get the info out there and let the chips fall where they may. Best to do it now while Trump is president than risk a loss in November.
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You’d need a total rebuild from the ground up.
I agree, so where are all the patriots to begin this change? There are enough out there to begin this process. And, if you read the Q page, they already have the information for this change.
So, like a lot of people, get the info out there and let the chips fall where they may. Best to do it now while Trump is president than risk a loss in November.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 9:51 am to dafif
I still respect the FBI lots of dedicated career people,the problem is the top leadership sold out or compromised
Posted on 9/28/19 at 10:36 am to TigerMikeAtl
I don’t think this thread went the way you intended. There is lots of distrust when it comes to these agencies and with good reason. It didn’t get to where it is today over night. Trust has been slowly eroding away for years now, going all the way back to Waco as many have pointed out. The “man of great integrity” line invites nothing but eye rolls from a lot of people including myself. Furthermore the word patriot is really being watered down to the point that is has no meaning. It’s becoming a qualifier of “don’t question me or my actions”.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 10:46 am to jimdog
I'll try and clarify a few points here from what I know to be fact. I will do this for the last and only time for the board. I was involved in the Davidian operations for a little more than two weeks. A week prior to and approx. a week afterwards. In Feb/Mar 1993. After the raid I was reassigned to another case down in Hidalgo, Tx.
The intelligence we received was flawed and conflicting. We had heard both that he was accessible and that he was not. The one thing we were certain of at the time I was there is that he had a sense something was going on and changed his patterns of behavior.
We were never informed of this.
Not true. We were working with the local newspaper trying to get them from running several articles critical about the Davidians and David Koresh in an attempt to not instigate David Koresh into any unpredictable or irrational behavior. We gave them some false flags as to our timing but never anything concrete. As far as television crews being "invited" at that time....that is blatantly false. During this time we were concerned about information getting out, however in an operation this size many variables are in play, including other outside organizations (i.e. FBI, Sheriff Dept., Texas DPS, and others). Word leaked from one of these agencies to the local TV station who in turn asked for directions to the Dividian complex from Koresh's brother-in-law, who notified Koresh giving him Intel on our "go time". We knew that things were not "normal" that morning and went so far as writing our blood types on multiple places on our bodies with Sharpies in case of gunfire. When we began the operation we were basically ambushed.
After that day this basically became an FBI/DOJ operation and I was reassigned. What happened afterward is history. It all ended so badly for everyone. It still pains me, even today. Who's truly to blame I cannot say. I only know that I and members of my team performed our duty by the so called book. We never stepped outside the lines.
I reiterate, this is now a closed issue as far as I'm concerned. Thank you.
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Said Branch Davidian leader and his aide went running every AM on the same route and could have been arrested without incident while on his AM run at any time.
* Said he was a music buff fancying himself as some sort of rock religious star and he and aide went into Waco every Thursday and ate at the same restaurant and went to the same music store and into a the magazine dept of a local book store to look at hot rod mags. He had a restored Z-28 and was a fan. He could have been picked up easily.
The intelligence we received was flawed and conflicting. We had heard both that he was accessible and that he was not. The one thing we were certain of at the time I was there is that he had a sense something was going on and changed his patterns of behavior.
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* Said the local Sheriff's dept had a good relationship with him and offered to call him to come down for some issue and he would have since they had done so on two occasions previously and he had shown up both times. He could have been arrested there.
We were never informed of this.
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* Said the ATF had a serious funding crisis with detractors wanting to disband and fold it into another agency and they were looking to make a splash arrest for PR. They in fact notified the local Waco press of their intent to make the raid and the exact time and place so they could get maximum exposure and what blew up was a local T.V. station crew showed up 30 minutes early to get a prime spot and the leadership was alerted the feds were coming.
Not true. We were working with the local newspaper trying to get them from running several articles critical about the Davidians and David Koresh in an attempt to not instigate David Koresh into any unpredictable or irrational behavior. We gave them some false flags as to our timing but never anything concrete. As far as television crews being "invited" at that time....that is blatantly false. During this time we were concerned about information getting out, however in an operation this size many variables are in play, including other outside organizations (i.e. FBI, Sheriff Dept., Texas DPS, and others). Word leaked from one of these agencies to the local TV station who in turn asked for directions to the Dividian complex from Koresh's brother-in-law, who notified Koresh giving him Intel on our "go time". We knew that things were not "normal" that morning and went so far as writing our blood types on multiple places on our bodies with Sharpies in case of gunfire. When we began the operation we were basically ambushed.
After that day this basically became an FBI/DOJ operation and I was reassigned. What happened afterward is history. It all ended so badly for everyone. It still pains me, even today. Who's truly to blame I cannot say. I only know that I and members of my team performed our duty by the so called book. We never stepped outside the lines.
I reiterate, this is now a closed issue as far as I'm concerned. Thank you.
This post was edited on 9/28/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 9/28/19 at 10:58 am to TigerMikeAtl
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We gave them some false flags as to our timing but never anything concrete.
This will be the thing I remember most from this thread.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 11:08 am to TigerMikeAtl
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Not true. We were working with the local newspaper trying to get them from running several articles critical about the Davidians and David Koresh in an attempt to not instigate David Koresh into any unpredictable or irrational behavior. We gave them some false flags as to our timing but never anything concrete
Why involve the media at all? By talking to them, you’re basically inviting them to do what they do and that is to start poking their noses around. Curious people ask a lot of questions and when questions start being asked, people get suspicious. You guys do know that news paper guys talk to television guys right?
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I reiterate, this is now a closed issue as far as I'm concerned. Thank you
You brought this issue to the board when you started this thread. No one was talking about Waco until you let’s us all know about your friend with great integrity and your Waco connection.
This post was edited on 9/28/19 at 11:10 am
Posted on 9/28/19 at 11:18 am to TigerMikeAtl
quote:does not =
writing our blood types on multiple places on our bodies with Sharpies in case of gunfire
quote:If you see it coming then it is not an ambush.
we were basically ambushed.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 11:20 am to Manzielathon
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So you’re FBI?
Actually, I assume ATF.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 11:53 am to GeorgePaton
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......including innocent babies and children. Janet Reno is shoveling coal in hell right now over that atrocity. Bill Clinton's turn is coming up.
Uhhh
I think you forgot someone
Who was 2nd in command at the Justice Dept at that time?
Posted on 9/28/19 at 12:01 pm to TigerMikeAtl
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I only know that I and members of my team performed our duty by the so called book.
Need a better book.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 12:03 pm to TigerMikeAtl
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I was with the ATF.
Rob Williams (R.I.P.) was a year or two older than me coming out of my high school.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 4:14 pm to TigerMikeAtl
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FBI, Sheriff Dept., Texas DPS, and others). Word leaked from one of these agencies to the local TV station who in turn asked for directions to the Dividian complex from Koresh's brother-in-law, who notified Koresh giving him Intel on our "go time". We knew that things were not "normal" that morning and went so far as writing our blood types on multiple places on our bodies with Sharpies in case of gunfire.
This does not jive with this
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When we began the operation we were basically ambushed
You knew things were off that morning, so much so that you wrote your blood types on your bodies. I take that to mean you expected casualties. What I and everyone else would like to know is why did you go forward with the raid expecting a heavy fire fight and knowing full well there were women and children in the compound? The cold hard truth of the matter is that operation should have never been green lighted but instead it did and we got to watch women and children go up in flames.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 5:33 pm to TigerMikeAtl
As I said my info was second hand which is good enough to qualify me as whistle blower for the DNC. LOL! However the guy's habits were WELL KNOWN. And anyone with half a brain would have known better than to do a full frontal assault. Serve a warrant? BS. They could have kept the down low and picked him up but the BUST absolutely was the thing. And yes the ATF was being discussed at the time as I recall.
However I admire you guys and what you did. I was running two huge retail operations at the time and unbeknownst to me our co was in violation of the $10K cash rule which the controller had been ignoring. So here comes the FBI. I looked the guy dead in the eye and told him the truth that I was out of the loop but would institute a control. He wanted me to help them with the Columbians and Mexicans and you know what I'm talking about since you were there at the time.
In any event I hated drugs and the outrageous dependency of our employees and stated giving the big dog Columbians and Mexicans to the feds. And we got them all since we sold the two must have things for 100% of them at the time. They would bypass the $10K rule reporting by stair stepping their purchase. About 3 purchases and trades. I met a ton of agents, ATF and FBI, great guys and their main goal was to get a forfeiture and a collar. And was glad to do what little I could. The Waco thing however is a horrible black eye for our country. Clinton should have known better and Reno was way past her pay grade and allowed her personal feeling get innocents burned alive. Her soul was beyond redemption IMO.
However I admire you guys and what you did. I was running two huge retail operations at the time and unbeknownst to me our co was in violation of the $10K cash rule which the controller had been ignoring. So here comes the FBI. I looked the guy dead in the eye and told him the truth that I was out of the loop but would institute a control. He wanted me to help them with the Columbians and Mexicans and you know what I'm talking about since you were there at the time.
In any event I hated drugs and the outrageous dependency of our employees and stated giving the big dog Columbians and Mexicans to the feds. And we got them all since we sold the two must have things for 100% of them at the time. They would bypass the $10K rule reporting by stair stepping their purchase. About 3 purchases and trades. I met a ton of agents, ATF and FBI, great guys and their main goal was to get a forfeiture and a collar. And was glad to do what little I could. The Waco thing however is a horrible black eye for our country. Clinton should have known better and Reno was way past her pay grade and allowed her personal feeling get innocents burned alive. Her soul was beyond redemption IMO.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 6:30 pm to dafif
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dafif
GFY nobody owes you an explanation about anything.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 6:33 pm to Manzielathon
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So you’re FBI? Scum.
Wow. You’re such a douche.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 5:52 am to CDawson
CDawson
Of course nobody owes my jack squat. But if you are in the government and are posting, you open yourself up to criticism. Fair criticism at that.
As for you, nobody gives 2 craps about what you write either so gfy
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GFY nobody owes you an explanation about anything.
Of course nobody owes my jack squat. But if you are in the government and are posting, you open yourself up to criticism. Fair criticism at that.
As for you, nobody gives 2 craps about what you write either so gfy
Posted on 10/2/19 at 6:16 am to Dissident Aggressor
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Uhhh
I think you forgot someone
Who was 2nd in command at the Justice Dept at that time?
Who is Eric Holder for $200, Alex?
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