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re: Covid data will not be published over concerns it's misrepresented by anti-vaxxers!
Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:31 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:31 pm to Seldom Seen
When science withholds data because of PR concerns....you know your doing science the right way!
TRUST THE SCIENCE!
TRUST THE SCIENCE!
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Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:35 pm to Seldom Seen
PoEoplE aR tO sTOopId twO unDErStANd thuH SciANcE
Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:35 pm to Seldom Seen
A scientist that refuses to publish data. Well you don’t see that every day.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:40 pm to ccomeaux
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In other words... the data doesn't support our narrative and we're tired of trying to defend the positions we take so we're just going to stop telling you what the data says but we'll keep telling you how to live your life.
Isn't this the same tactic used by the Gaslight Media? Report fake news until they have exhausted the effectiveness of the gaslighting and then they go silent on their previous fake news and move on to the next fake news stories.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 1:07 pm to Seldom Seen
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For example we know it is 50 per cent effective against getting infected, but that it is much higher effectiveness against hospitalisations and deaths which is the key thing really as that’s what we want to prevent.
lol
Posted on 2/17/22 at 2:19 pm to Seldom Seen
Ha, right. These lying pieces of excrement.
Misinformation and no information is what we now expect from "our government" and media.
Misinformation and no information is what we now expect from "our government" and media.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 2:30 pm to Seldom Seen
LOL
Posted on 2/17/22 at 2:47 pm to TitleistProV1X
quote:one downvoter too gutless to at least attempt to defend and indefensible position
scientist that refuses to publish data. Well you don’t see that every day.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 2:49 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Taking bets on single covidian downvoting every post.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 3:59 pm to TitleistProV1X
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A scientist that refuses to publish data. Well you don’t see that every day.
Micheale E. Mann - Did people forget about me already?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:07 pm to Seldom Seen
No wonder they took it down.
Link to an article with screenshots. LINK
Link to an article with screenshots. LINK
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The findings are once again devastating and shows that the vaccinated is getting massively infected especially the double vaccinated and it appears that the unvaccinated are getting less infected
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:42 pm to idsrdum
The same data that was shoved down our throats for months to show that it’s a pandemic of the unvax’d ? Unbelievable. This is somewhat disappointing considering the Scotland report was some of the best actual data available….
In Louisiana, all we get is bs claims on the dashboard that 60% of deaths are the i vaxed when 99% of 70+ is fully vax’d. I want to see someone request that data
In Louisiana, all we get is bs claims on the dashboard that 60% of deaths are the i vaxed when 99% of 70+ is fully vax’d. I want to see someone request that data
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:45 pm to Seldom Seen
Scum
Posted on 2/18/22 at 5:54 am to idsrdum
quote:well we can't have people misusing that information now can we? :eyeroll:
The findings are once again devastating and shows that the vaccinated is getting massively infected especially the double vaccinated and it appears that the unvaccinated are getting less infected
Posted on 2/18/22 at 6:08 am to BigMob
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Would not accurate data dispel any “misrepresentation”?
No, because most people don’t understand how statistics work. Because of this it’s pretty easy to use raw data to convince the average person of a great many incorrect ideas. For instance, it’s what lawyers do with the prosecutors fallacy to make juries incorrectly assume guilt on the basis of statistics and multiple convictions have been thrown out because of this after the fact.
Many through the course of the pandemic have spammed the base rate fallacy and causal link fallacies to trick unknowing onlookers into believe numbers say things they don’t actually say. And because the only thing people hate more than being wrong is being told they’ve been Jedi mind tricked into being wrong on the basis of their own ignorance on a given topic, these false beliefs become intractable to reason.
Now that being said that’s a bad reason to not publish the data. They should still be putting the information out there in my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 6:14 am
Posted on 2/18/22 at 6:21 am to Roger Klarvin
Agree. It might help public health messaging in the short term, but it will probably undermine trust in the long term. There's no panacea against a the antivaccination movement which is well-organized and has its tactics down (cherry-pick, use pseudo-expert/fringe contrarians, and repeat, repeat, repeat heuristic). The data for public mandates for childhood vaccines generally (not just COVID) and bodes ill is starting to look bad as bleed-over from the propaganda and it bodes ill for public health in the next few years.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 6:22 am
Posted on 2/18/22 at 6:52 am to Seldom Seen
If the data does not stand up to basic scrutiny than just blame the "anti vaxxers."
Posted on 2/18/22 at 6:54 am to Seldom Seen
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“For example we know it is 50 per cent effective against getting infected, but that it is much higher effectiveness against hospitalisations and deaths which is the key thing really as that’s what we want to prevent.”
So what she is saying is that the vaccine was misrepresented to the public, because it was supposedly 90-something percent effective against transmission…
Posted on 2/18/22 at 9:38 am to Roger Klarvin
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Because of this it’s pretty easy to use raw data to convince the average person of a great many incorrect ideas
The data shows age-standardized rates per 100,000 so this would seem to be an apples to apples not a raw data comparison, right?
In any case, can you offer an opinion on why these standardized rates would be higher in the vaccinated?
And how do you explain the Israel data if the vaccines are working as advertised? They are coming down from the highest peak of cases and deaths despite high vaccine and booster uptake.
LINK
Posted on 2/18/22 at 9:59 am to TigerDoc
You speak to the antivaccination movement but it absolutely pales in comparison to the CDC propaganda. In addition, Fauci and Collins conspired to 'take down' prominent (not fringe) scientists because they dared to offer an alternate opinion on how the pandemic should be addressed. So only the official narrative has been allowed to be discussed.
But yes, people are going to distrust medical advice in the future. Not because of antivaxxers, but because the CDC, FDA, and medical providers have totally botched the response to this pandemic.
But yes, people are going to distrust medical advice in the future. Not because of antivaxxers, but because the CDC, FDA, and medical providers have totally botched the response to this pandemic.
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