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re: Contrary to Barr's view, DoJ issues Obstruction indictment w/o underlying crime
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:27 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:27 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Trump thinking about firing Mueller (and Mueller found no evidence of collusion after all) is somehow obstruction?
Yeah - the thing that the leftists refuse to grapple with is that Trump was factually, logically, legally, INNOCENT of the charge of 'colluding with Russia."
And of course HE is the ONLY person in America who ABSOLUTELY KNEW - beyond any doubt - that he really WAS innocent.
Equivalent of being falsely accused of murdering someone you didn't even know nor had ever met based on some random allegation by your mortal enemy, which the 'investigators' knew - but launched a massive investigation based on the false allegation to FIND SOMETHING on you - and in the process began ruining the lives of you family and friends and acquaintances.
And finding NOTHING - the begin analyzing all your protestations of INNOCENCE as OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE
DUMBEST stance ever taken by anyone.
The fact there is some obscure interpretation about 'obstructing justice' in a crime that didn't happen is ludicrous - it is equivalent of making decisions based on the validity of arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:27 am to The Pirate King
This guy loves his stool pushed in on a daily basis !!
Nothing he/she brings here ever materializes into anything !!
Another whiny liberal lil bitch !!
Nothing he/she brings here ever materializes into anything !!
Another whiny liberal lil bitch !!
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:31 am to ChineseBandit58
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eah - the thing that the leftists refuse to grapple with is that Trump was factually, logically, legally, INNOCENT of the charge of 'colluding with Russia."
Mueller says he never looked into collusion with Russia, so how can he be found innocent of something Mueller explicitly says in his report he didn't consider?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:32 am to tigerinDC09
If you aren't convicted, then you are just "alleged" to have committed a crime. (Like Trump was alleged to have colluded...which was false.) In America, you are presumed innocent....innocent until proven guilty. You are not helping yourself...
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 7:33 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:32 am to tigerinDC09
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Find another safe space, Individual-1 directed a felony, that's a crime. He's not being prosecuted, for now, because of the OLC opinion.
Imagine if you actually spent time doing something productive with your life instead of bitching and whining like a fricking retard. So damn lame.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:32 am to tigerinDC09
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Trump is named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal election crime. There's one underlying crime for you.
That is a fantasy of the left not reality. The guy in your quoted article is really charged with something.
There’s reality for you.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:33 am to tigerinDC09
Someone really needs to do a Trump as the roadrunner and dem’s as the coyote gif(s). Limitless variations, same end result.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:33 am to tigerinDC09
quote:How about if the home owner can legally send away the officers investigating but chooses not to and just complains about it instead? Is that obstruction?
Follow this scenario, police go into a house looking for a evidence of a murder, don't find it, but find a ton of drugs. The home owner then tells everyone to lie to police about the drugs, that's still obstruction.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 7:40 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:34 am to tigerinDC09
quote:
Mueller says he never looked into collusion with Russia
What the frick? Are you high?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:34 am to rumproast
quote:
If you aren't convicted, then you are just "alleged" to have committed a crime. (Like Trump was alleged to have colluded...which was false.) In America, you are presumed innocent....innocent until proven guilty. You are not helping yourself...
So are you asserting that if you aren't Convicted of an underlying crime then you can't be charged with obstruction?
That's even more extreme than Barr saying there should be evidence of an underlying crime in order to prosecute obstruction.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:35 am to The Pirate King
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What the frick? Are you high?
Yeah, I'm thinking substances or maybe he got hit in the head. This is some ninja level pivoting he's doing.
"Collusion? What are you guys talking about?"
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:36 am to tigerinDC09
A) Whatever SDNY alleges, Mueller concluded that there was no underlying claim. That’s investigation Barr is working off of. You know, the only that took two years, tens of millions of dollars, and was conducted by the individual who democrats have been fervently supporting as possessing a moral character that is beyond reproach since day 1.
B) You analogy is close, but misses an extremely important point. In your analogy, you are adding in possession of drugs which don’t have any parallel to trump’s case.
A better version of your analogy would be, police go into house looking for evidence of murder, don’t find it, but declare to all of the homeowners neighbors that a murder occurred anyway. The homeowner, pissed off at the blatant abuse of power and public slandering of his or her name, tells all his or her neighbors that these particular police are full of shite.
For me personally, it’s awfully tough to blame the homeowner in that case. I sure as shite hope that defense of your innocence is not something this country wants to consider as a crime, otherwise we’re seriously fricked.
B) You analogy is close, but misses an extremely important point. In your analogy, you are adding in possession of drugs which don’t have any parallel to trump’s case.
A better version of your analogy would be, police go into house looking for evidence of murder, don’t find it, but declare to all of the homeowners neighbors that a murder occurred anyway. The homeowner, pissed off at the blatant abuse of power and public slandering of his or her name, tells all his or her neighbors that these particular police are full of shite.
For me personally, it’s awfully tough to blame the homeowner in that case. I sure as shite hope that defense of your innocence is not something this country wants to consider as a crime, otherwise we’re seriously fricked.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:36 am to The Pirate King
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quote:
Mueller says he never looked into collusion with Russia
What the frick? Are you high?
No, I actually read the report, here's what he says about "collusion"
quote:
In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:37 am to tigerinDC09
Good Lord. You just claimed it had been proven by the SDNY that Trump had committed a crime. I pointed out that...no it hadn't. You said Barr espoused you couldn't be convicted of obstruction without an underlying crime. I again pointed out, no he didn't. I can tell it to you, but I can't understand it for you. You have stated non-facts as though they were facts, which is what CNN often does. Just stop it already.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 7:40 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:37 am to tigerinDC09
How does it feel to be completely impotent?
You see, us big-d@@k swinging MAGA's wouldn't know.....
You see, us big-d@@k swinging MAGA's wouldn't know.....
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:38 am to tigerinDC09
Actually hilarious
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:38 am to tigerinDC09
quote:The facts notwithstanding?
Individual-1 directed a felony
quote:100% false.
because of the OLC opinion
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:39 am to tigerinDC09
I'm gonna bet that like AggieHank, you get most of your source material via 3 party hearsay stories from Daily KOS.....
Posted on 5/7/19 at 7:40 am to funnystuff
quote:
A better version of your analogy would be, police go into house looking for evidence of murder, don’t find it, but declare to all of the homeowners neighbors that a murder occurred anyway. The homeowner, pissed off at the blatant abuse of power and public slandering of his or her name, tells all his or her neighbors that these particular police are full of shite.
So in this analogy, your'e saying the Mueller (ie the Police) declared "to all of the homeowners neighbors that a murder occurred anyway." So you are saying that Mueller was accusing Trump of the crime while he was investigating? Link to where Mueller ever accused Trump of a crime, then your analogy works.
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