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re: Conservatives Go to War — Against Each Other — Over School Vouchers
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:40 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:40 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Another argument - especially when dealing with religious schools - is that it could give the government the legal right to dictate that the school teach something against its doctrine.
Such as "abortion is healthcare" or "people are born homosexual".
Not to mention: if God directed the church to start the school (and, in not a few cases, that's questionable), isn't He able to fund it without requiring the mammon of the unwilling?
Such as "abortion is healthcare" or "people are born homosexual".
Not to mention: if God directed the church to start the school (and, in not a few cases, that's questionable), isn't He able to fund it without requiring the mammon of the unwilling?
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Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:53 pm to Jake88
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What about the kids whose parents sacrifice and struggle to make the payments now? They risk getting priced out.
Won't they get vouchers?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:03 pm to David_DJS
quote:Don't know. But if they do and already go to private schools, how is the state paying for them AND public school kids going to save any money? Apparently if that happens in LA, it will add 500,000,000 to the state's budget.
Won't they get vouchers?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:19 pm to Jake88
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Don't know.
They do.
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But if they do and already go to private schools, how is the state paying for them AND public school kids going to save any money? Apparently if that happens in LA, it will add 500,000,000 to the state's budget.
Yes, and the weather is going to kill all the people that Covid didn't kill, and having a border is racist.
By the volume of bitching about vouchers on the Left (and in particular by teachers unions), it might be the best program ever.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:51 pm to Jake88
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it will add 500,000,000 to the state's budget.
How in the frick, would it?
The average per pupil expenditure is $12,359 in La. The grant amounts would range from about $5,200 for middle and upper-income families to about $7,500 for low-income households, and more than $15,000 for students with disabilities.
So if 1,000 kids attend a school in a low-income neighborhood, the state cuts that school system a check for $12,359,000. If that same 1,000 kids goes to private schools, the state cuts their schools a check for $7,500,000
Now, since the district can no longer claim those same 1,000 kids, the state doesnt cut that $12M check to them. That means the state will actually save $5 million dollars on those same kids
Why in the hell would public schools need 500,000,000 more dollars? Oh, I get it. They intend on keeping the same level of schools, employees, bus routes, perks, benefits, etc with far less kids.
Now you know the Dept of Ed is actually just a protected jobs program, and not really an system for educating kids
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:55 pm to David_DJS
quote:Don't know how this is actually relevant.
Yes, and the weather is going to kill all the people that Covid didn't kill, and having a border is racist
quote:I'm all for ending teachers unions and, well, all other unions, but there has to be a way besides creating another entitlement. Fighting liberals by supporting liberal policies seems ridiculous.
By the volume of bitching about vouchers on the Left (and in particular by teachers unions), it might be the best program ever
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:59 pm to LSU Grad 2021
This is a thing. In Texas the governor tried to pass school vouchers. In the house rural republicans refused to go along with it. The issue just faded away.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 5:50 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Those kids won't be able to afford the additional $4500 per year. So, they won't go. They will still cost on the public side.
So if 1,000 kids attend a school in a low-income neighborhood, the state cuts that school system a check for $12,359,000. If that same 1,000 kids goes to private schools, the state cuts their schools a check for $7,500,000
quote:Or, if they do go, they screw up the milieu of the new school. Good job. Oh, the privates can kick them out? Sure. Lawsuit.
If that same 1,000 kids goes to private schools,
quote:Yeah, right. You are so naive.
Now, since the district can no longer claim those same 1,000 kids, the state doesnt cut that $12M check to them
quote:You are clueless. The proposal in LA was to also give those $7500 and $5200 handouts to kids already in private schools. So, not only are you handing out to public school kids, you're handing out to the kids who already go to Newman, Jesuit, and Catholic. There are your budget excesses.
Why in the hell would public schools need 500,000,000 more dollars?
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:14 pm to David_DJS
The vouchers won't cover full tuition. No voucher plan does unless you have some fly-by-night school which takes the money and provides nothing much in return.
So, unless the school decides to cover the difference (and, if they do, it will be highly limited to students with exceptional talent or where the parents have "connections"), the students are no better off than before.
So, unless the school decides to cover the difference (and, if they do, it will be highly limited to students with exceptional talent or where the parents have "connections"), the students are no better off than before.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:15 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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The issue just faded away.
Actually, it didn't completely. The Governor endorsed candidates who ran against them, and most of them lost.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:59 pm to DMagic
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This guy is a retard
It's constitutionally required in Oklahoma. What does his state constitution say about it?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:27 pm to Cosmo
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Private schools can expel shite kids a whole lot easier than public
Private schools can expel those they deem shite kids easier and then still collect public funds now.
Why does a private business need public funding? Why should my property taxes be used for a private school and not on fixing Publix school problems?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:33 pm to oklahogjr
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Why does a private business need public funding? Why should my property taxes be used for a private school and not on fixing Publix school problems?
You have it backwards. The new law in Louisiana allows the money already collected in the form of property taxes to follow the child, with the parents deciding to opt for a public school or to use the funding toward a private school. This isn’t propping up any private business, it’s simply injecting choice into the equation.
And if you don’t like it, vote for a democrat to represent you in your state legislature.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:33 pm to DMagic
I used to believe that lsu was an accredited institution because I have family who have attended and graduated. He/she/they/them appears to be either a grade A troll or lsu is gtaduation corkys under the dale brown major.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:46 pm to Riverside
quote:It ends up being $62400 per kid on the low end for 12 years. No individual pays that amount in portions of property taxes dedicated to schools in their lifetime, let alone if they had 2 or more kids. Free shite handout.
You have it backwards. The new law in Louisiana allows the money already collected in the form of property taxes to follow the child
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:51 pm to LSU Grad 2021
Im tired of explaining this hut in summary, school vouchers are just govt. funded ways to ruin the few remaining good piblic schools left. If people dont like their school disctrict, work hard do better for your family and move to a good school district. Chances are you will pass that own to the kids. If you give a welfare queen's 7 kids a free ride to the only remaining good local public school it will ruin the school. Dont give me the one kid excuse think of the mass effect this has.on a school.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:54 pm to Jake88
There is a very complex funding algorithm for public schools, but we are paying that much in tax dollars. A portion of the funding cones via the MFP at the state level, coupled with federal money and property taxes.
My point remains, this isn’t an entitlement program, it’s a reallocation of resources. I’m tired of seeing our tax dollars wasted on horrible outcomes in the public schools. Money isn’t the issue, the quality of instruction and overall discipline are the issues. Parents should not be condemned to send their kids to a failed public school system.
My point remains, this isn’t an entitlement program, it’s a reallocation of resources. I’m tired of seeing our tax dollars wasted on horrible outcomes in the public schools. Money isn’t the issue, the quality of instruction and overall discipline are the issues. Parents should not be condemned to send their kids to a failed public school system.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:03 pm to LSU Grad 2021
Democrats keeping the black man down? Pretty much every poll of minorities shows they favor school choice in large numbers. This is a way to keep minorities in bad schools?
Yahoo New Poll: Black Single Moms Want More School Choice — and Will Vote that Way
Yahoo New Poll: Black Single Moms Want More School Choice — and Will Vote that Way
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:04 pm to Riverside
quote:It absolutely is an entitlement. People will be provided dollars they have not paid for a service they did not earn and do not deserve. This is equivalent to Section 8 in a decent neighborhood.
My point remains, this isn’t an entitlement program, it’s a reallocation of resources
quote:No, the quality of the students is the issue. There are many successful public schools.
, the quality of instruction and overall discipline are the issues
quote:How progressive of you. If they do not or cannot pay for a private education out of pocket it is what they deserve. Again, the same can be said for the metastasis known as Section 8 housing.
Parents should not be condemned to send their kids to a failed public school system
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:07 pm to Riverside
quote:I haven’t heard him make a single solid argument yet for anything he proposes. He mostly came in playing stupid like he was some kind of independent. That charade is gone.
Wtf are you talking about? There’s no way you actually graduated from LSU, or if you did, it’s proof DEI watered down the University to the point that it’s now basically BRCC south.
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