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re: Conservative, adult entertainer Brandi Love kicked out of Turning Point USA event tonight
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:03 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:03 am to Pettifogger
I respect your opinion completely. I disagree with the broader point. You don’t have to love the French or their ideas about equality that contradict your better ideas about liberty, but you welcome them to stand alongside you to fight the British.
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:16 am to Pettifogger
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Encouraging or accepting Brandi Love in the conservative movement is no different than accepting Trump. Real talk.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:19 am to Cracker
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bullshite those damm prudes are the only actual solution to saving our nation and world
FIFY
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:29 am to Lsupimp
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I respect your opinion completely. I disagree with the broader point. You don’t have to love the French or their ideas about equality that contradict your better ideas about liberty, but you welcome them to stand alongside you to fight the British.
I agree with you.
But I think I'm saying that too, at least dependent on what the goal is. I would prefer a world where Brandi Love belongs to whatever anti-leftist group she fits in and she fights alongside Christian groups who dislike what she does to achieve a common goal.
But, the reality is I don't think it'll work. I don't think you can wage a war that has enough depth on an "anti-left" idea if part of the cultural rot is inherent in your movement. We can debate whether porn has that billing, but I think it probably does. Now, in practice it could be irrelevant. If Brandi Love is allied with a genuine conservative, intense groundswell, that movement will probably eventually turn on her in an ugly way. I'm not wishing for that, but we've seen how much desire there is to purge the untrue, disloyal, not pure from our ranks. We see it in the leftist movement. We've seen it in every revolution I think.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:34 am to Esquire
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Encouraging or accepting Brandi Love in the conservative movement is no different than accepting Trump. Real talk.
It's a partially valid point, although Trump could at least pivot/deny when he was running. He wasn't running on a pro-adultery, pro-porn, etc. stance. Now do I think he really had a change of heart on any of that? No. But I do think being at least able to acknowledge the truth (I know porn is bad/sinful, even if I'm a hypocrite because I consume it) is important for Christians and for conservatives.
Love obviously can't do that, so it's a significant difference.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:36 am to Pettifogger
What do you children not understand? Turning Point USA is a political group. Turning Point Ministries is a Christian group. Both “conservative”, but not both religious. Carry on.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:46 am to Bamafig
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What do you children not understand? Turning Point USA is a political group. Turning Point Ministries is a Christian group. Both “conservative”, but not both religious. Carry on.
Turning Point USA is a purportedly conservative group. Conservatism isn't libertarianism. Conservatism puts a cultural and moral stake in the ground in a way libertarianism does not.
If TurningPoint USA wants to be a conservative group without elements central to conservatism, fine, but I don't think that's the case as this weekend has shown. People who want to start groups who are allied with conservative groups but don't include the cultural/moral positions, by all means, go for it.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:49 am to Pettifogger
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Encouraging or accepting Brandi Love in the conservative movement is no different than accepting a proponent of critical race theory in the movement. Real talk.
This only works if we ignore the past 5 years and how Trump is the new conservative movement. Which is it?
What does "conservative" mean anymore?
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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This only works if we ignore the past 5 years and how Trump is the new conservative movement. Which is it?[link=( https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/is-there-even-a-definition-of-conservative-anymore-when-did-you-start-promoting-it/96329316/)]What is the definition of "conservative" today?[/link]
I talked about this above.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:56 am to dgnx6
Charlie Kirk is such a cucked twerp.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:57 am to Pettifogger
quote:You can't pivot/deny when you have 50 years of extremely well documented patterns of behavior
although Trump could at least pivot/deny when he was running.
He wrote the books himself, ffs
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:59 am to Pettifogger
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although Trump could at least pivot/deny when he was running.
no he couldn't
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But I do think being at least able to acknowledge the truth (I know porn is bad/sinful, even if I'm a hypocrite because I consume it) is important for Christians and for conservatives.
Most everything about Trump, other than being anti-DEM while running, falls into this same grouping
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:02 am to Pettifogger
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He wasn't running on a pro-adultery, pro-porn, etc. stance.
Greed, Gluttony, and Pride are deadly sins too
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:04 am to Roaad
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You can't pivot/deny when you have 50 years of extremely well documented patterns of behavior
Sure you can, and he did. I'm not saying it's not hypocritical nor am I defending the way evangelicals look at Trump.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:05 am to Esquire
quote:Not in the bible, in case anyone wasn't aware already
deadly sins
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:14 am to Lsupimp
I was just clarifying the What Would Jesus Do point someone was making. Saying that Jesus hung out with prostitutes is very misleading. He hung out with sinners who have since seen the err of their ways. He wasn’t hanging out with folks that were actively still maintaining their sinful lifestyles.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:15 am to Roaad
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Not in the bible, in case anyone wasn't aware already
So the Bible has a favorable view of greed, gluttony, and prideful behavior?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:16 am to Roaad
Galatians 5: 19-21, contains a list of sins. These are not “deadly”, i.e. unforgivable, as described by the Catholic faith. But rather, the sins most commonly associated with those who are unredeemed. The only sin that will send one to hell is the rejection of the Holy Spirit in regards to Salvation.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:17 am to STEVED00
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He hung out with sinners who have since seen the err of their ways. He wasn’t hanging out with folks that were actively still maintaining their sinful lifestyles.
somewhat true and somewhat not true
every person is a sinner, so everyone, at any given time, is "maintaining a sinful lifestyle". that's a core tenet of Christianity
the larger part is that Jesus's example was not to shun the immoral and to include them
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:17 am to Esquire
quote:It generally doesn't rank sin, like some buzzfeed article
So the Bible has a favorable view of greed, gluttony, and prideful behavior?
Sin=Death
Full stop
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