re: Conservative, adult entertainer Brandi Love kicked out of Turning Point USA event tonight

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Our movement is not a religious movement. It is essentially a coalition of various anti - Leftist, pro-freedom people. Some profoundly religious, some atheist, and everywhere in between

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Say what you want, but the movement is spiritual and principled in Christian values. Just like the original American Revolution was as well. Its good vs evil.

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If you’re a pathetic cuck.

She’s fricks men for money. On screen, and as an prostitute for an “escort service”.

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It's still "conserving the family".

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Fine, and she can be a part of the movement. I have no problem with that. She should not be held up as a leader, figurehead, prominent figure, etc., particularly considering the industry that she is in. One that arguably has detrimental effects on our culture.

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She's not. She litetally wasn't even allowed to pay the admission fee to attend.

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She's not. She litetally wasn't even allowed to pay the admission fee to attend.

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Meh, she's out there grifting in the "conservative" universe.

I just can't get that worked up over this.

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She's not the face of the movement and she isn't trying to be. You're setting up a straw man.

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Wasn't she invited as a VIP before having her access revoked by TPUSA? I have not scanned the thread, but that was the original discussion on Twitter.

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Wasn't she invited as a VIP before having her access revoked by TPUSA? I have not scanned the thread, but that was the original discussion on Twitter.

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No, it's one of those conventions where you pay for VIP access, like front-of-the-line at Disney or the cooling tent at a festival. She went online, signed up, and paid her admission fee like everyone else. When she showed up and some folks got mad, they gave her her money back and told her she wasn't welcome.

I’m buying what you are selling.

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I think all of you make good points. But don’t discount the need, in a cultural Revolution, to co- opt those outside of the traditional Conservative comfort zone. Throw her a rifle.

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And I'm not someone out for blood on Brandi Love. I see your argument and I agree with the practicality of it.

But I think the question begins with "what is the purpose of the revolution?" If it's to build a big anti-left tent and reform and save the country, then yes, you have to be inclusive or you have to at least ally with folks who aren't of your religious/moral persuasion.

But, if it's to facilitate a split, or to dominate and overtake the present culture, I don't think that's a viable option. That's a liberal option, which will not be useful in going to war with the entrenched left. I'm convinced that under this option/fight, you're going to need a movement with stronger backbone (like a Christianity-based movement). Now in my ideal world we'd fight on that basis and then become more pluralistic/liberal after the fight is won. But you can't win a culture war against the prevailing culture by incorporating some of the existing problems of the culture. Now, can Brandi Love's of the world nonetheless support that movement outside of it because she thinks it'll ultimately achieve her ends? Sure.

And I think you're seeing a lot of wise people who aren't Christians who increasingly see the moral flexibility of secular political movements as a liability in the fight we're in. TBH, I think we're not that far off from some pretty unthinkable (albeit uncomfortable) alliances, like Islam adherents and evangelicals. You already see some of that in the legal realm (Becket Fund)

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Brandi Love. She's definitely unapologetic...that's how it should be though. It would be disappointing if she had to be filled with shame or be apologetic, because she's earning a living and supporting herself and her family. Just because some people who don't know her, feel uncomfortable with her because of her profession.

Also, she wasn't a leader of a movement...she was just one of the voices in the vast sea. If she's not even allowed to be part of a movement...then that's sad. Because the motherfrickers throwing stones at her glass house are most likely even more sinful. They just hide it better. It takes a special kind of evil to willingly set off storms against one's fellow man, just because one feels morally superior and looks down on the rest of mankind, like some kind of fake god.

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Encouraging or accepting Brandi Love in the conservative movement is no different than accepting a proponent of critical race theory in the movement. Real talk.

I think there is value to the arguments you are making. And I'm sure there is some value Love can add to a broader anti-left movement. But someone who is an enthusiastic supporter of something that does serious damage to our culture cannot be part of any "conservative" movement. The individual hypocrisy doesn't change that fact.

As a Christian, I'm no better than Brandi Love. But I wouldn't let her join my church. And I would do that knowing that I'm just as much a sinner as her. But you can't have someone promoting sin with exuberance as part of your church. I think the same general notions apply to her and the conservative movement.