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Covingtontiger77
Florida Atlantic Fan
Covington, LA
Member since Dec 2015
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Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
-I am MAGA....

-the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't;

-they were often erected during a time when State legislatures (especially in the South) were as racist as could be and still angry about the outcome of the war;

- Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people.

Commence the downvotes



SouthernHog
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re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
First DV


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Salmon
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re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
but they are



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Errerrerrwere
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Member since Aug 2015
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re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation


So, at the time, it worked?


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Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
4740 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
I don't disagree. But they are there, so move on.

I'm not for putting up additional statues, but when you start tearing down stuff that maybe shouldn't have been built in the first place, it's hard to stop.


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Y.A. Tittle
Winthrop Fan
Member since Sep 2003
65067 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
So, why are you just now pissed about it?

What are some other things you need to have people tell you to be mad about?


roadGator
Florida Fan
Member since Feb 2009
80377 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
I downvoted even though you may be correct.

However, people shouldn't be surprised that other people wanted to memorialize their dead.


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PrimeTime Money
USA Fan
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
19977 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
They seceded and had their own country. It's not treason.


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Covingtontiger77
Florida Atlantic Fan
Covington, LA
Member since Dec 2015
2852 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
Not mad about them at all.

To be honest growing up in NOLA, I never gave them a second thought.

Couldn't care less.

But I'm open minded enough to see how they could be seen as offensive to a lot of people.

Now MAGA

This post was edited on 8/17 at 9:40 am


Breesus
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Jan 2010
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re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't


Good. frick the US Govt


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Wolfhound45
LSU Fan
Tampa
Member since Nov 2009
51737 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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- Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people.
Do you even history baw?

Image: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/President_Andrew_Johnson.jpg/1200px-President_Andrew_Johnson.jpg


ItTakesAThief
LSU Fan
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
5578 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
Statues erected by democrats.

Now part of history.

Some such as the Obilisk in New Orleans should have been removed.

Others such as Lee were purely historical. Lee did not fight for or against slavery. He fought for his home state of Virginia.


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ChewyDante
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Jan 2007
14741 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people. 


So Lincoln should have handled reconciliation differently so that 150 years later we wouldn't have a statue controversy? In spite of the fact that it successfully created a unified nation, rather seamlessly? I'm going to let you reconsider how reasonable a complaint you think that is.


9th life
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Boringham
Member since Sep 2009
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re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't;


I don't understand how this isn't obvious. People clinging to the Confederacy for the sake of heritage, are likely the same that criticize immigrants for failing to assimilate in the US.






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DisplacedBuckeye
Ohio State Fan
Member since Dec 2013
28371 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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Lincoln really is to blame


Truth. I don't know about trying them for treason, although they were traitors.

It's apparent that Lincoln had never beat someone's arse before then. You don't shake hands and take them out for a drink right away. You rub that shite in so they know what's going to happen the next time they step out of line. Then handshakes and drinks.


Covingtontiger77
Florida Atlantic Fan
Covington, LA
Member since Dec 2015
2852 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
Lincoln's post civil war theory or plan of Reconstruction was instituted by Johnson.


TrueTiger
LSU Fan
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
29010 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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-give the finger to the US gov't; 


Sounds like something many leftists would love to do right now.


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Ace Midnight
LSU Fan
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
59617 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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-the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't;


Meh - there was a degree of reconciliation going on. Obviously, Longstreet tried, but was vilified by the Lost Causers. Lee spoke out on it. Beauregard and even Forrest participated in it.

There is a certain sentiment of a "worthy foe" - and as I've discussed before, many of the Lost Causers (who did win the late 19th Century war of ideas in the South) assuaged their wounded pride the "we fought the good fight" - which the victors were more than happy to accommodate. They knew they would need Southern manpower for agriculture and future conflicts.

The South held up their end of the bargain, becoming some of the most patriotic citizens, most productive farmers and most reliable recruiting base for military volunteers in Earth's history in the intervening 150 years.

But, yeah, go ahead and continue to endorse that Confederate monuments and memorials are 100% racist, oppressive and treasonous in intent. I don't dispute that white supremacists and neo-Nazis have glommed onto the symbology, but the South extant cannot be blamed for that, IMHO.
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Wolfhound45
LSU Fan
Tampa
Member since Nov 2009
51737 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
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Lincoln's post civil war theory or plan of Reconstruction was instituted by Johnson.
Okay


TheFonz
LSU Fan
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
5021 posts

re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
Another way I am looking at the situation is this: whether or not you agree with a Confederate statue, in a lot of cases the statues themselves have become historical items - part of the landscape of the city. I would not have had as big of an issue with their removal if it had been put of to a vote, and not this nighttime cloak and dagger crap.
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